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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. samim‏ @samim 27 Mar 2018
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      Fascinating investigative journalism piece. The plot thickness, that it's not some shadowy foreign powers meddling in western democratic processes - but western elites using mass social engineering against their own people. https://twitter.com/Liam_O_Hare/status/978727648225619970 …

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    2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 27 Mar 2018
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      And then you realize that all that advancement and cultural structure of western society is basically the result of thousands of years of just this: elites engaging in the mass social engineering of their subjects, which by submitting to this engineering become their agents.

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    3. vakibs‏ @vakibs 28 Mar 2018
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      The advancement of western society is the result of exploitation of the rest of the planet. But the free reign of exploitation is now hitting its boundaries as natural wealth is depleted. Self-exploitation and self-conceit will not lead to perennial growth.

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    4. vakibs‏ @vakibs 28 Mar 2018
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      For a large part of history, western society with its ethical norms driven by social engineering, was pretty crap in comparison to other civilizations with different sets of values. The current dominance of the west is too short-lived (a few centuries) to base any conclusions.

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 28 Mar 2018
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      What do you base that on? Which civilizations were able to lift their entire population out of abject poverty, while producing rule of law, freedom of thought, universal literacy, and scientific rationalism?

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    6. vakibs‏ @vakibs 28 Mar 2018
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      It is fudging of accounts when you say Europeans lifted their population out of abject poverty. The colonies were under direct administration of European powers (e.g, India under UK), and they suffered dramatic drops in economic product, life-expectency etc. during colonial rule.

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 28 Mar 2018
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      Absolutely. The optimization of warfare, parasitism and exploitation was part of the reason of the West's civilizational success. A moral lens is useless when you want to understand why some chimpanzee populations have more success than other chimpanzee populations.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 28 Mar 2018
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      https://www.skepticink.com/incredulous/2017/10/09/bonobo-myth-demolished/ … :(

      4:16 PM - 28 Mar 2018
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        2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 28 Mar 2018
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          I am not a primate researcher myself, so I have very low confidence on my ability to judge the debate. However, there seems to have been a recent shift in primatology and anthropology. Which narratives replicate? Mostly not the ones we would like best.

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