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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 28 Mar 2018
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    It seems that the Obama campaign did do exactly the same thing that Cambridge Analytica is being condemned for. I share the privacy concerns, but much of the reporting seems to be hypocritical. (Obama's campaign was praised for being innovative back then.) https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/facebooks-rules-for-accessing-user-data-lured-more-than-just-cambridge-analytica/2018/03/19/31f6979c-658e-43d6-a71f-afdd8bf1308b_story.html?utm_term=.e5c6a2bed873 …pic.twitter.com/uQKXKiJVPv

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      2. Lee Zamparo  🖖‏ @lzamparo 28 Mar 2018
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        The blame that both groups were able to collect more info via the social graph (from users who did not explicitly consent) rests principally with FB's failure to respect users' stated privacy settings.

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 28 Mar 2018
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        Afaik Facebook and CA claim that the scraping was legal, and in conformance to Facebooks inscrutable and unmanageable privacy settings.

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      2. Grady Booch‏Verified account @Grady_Booch 28 Mar 2018
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        One difference is that Facebook's rules changed between the two administrations (and under Trump they violated those rules, and also federated significantly more information). Still, in the grand scheme of things, it all all really sucks.

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      3. Chris F Carroll‏ @chrisfcarroll 28 Mar 2018
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        And CA are in the UK so their alleged use of data would be illegal.

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      1. Lee Zamparo  🖖‏ @lzamparo 28 Mar 2018
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        Seems wrong to suggest a moral equivalence between the two, especially when the last paragraph you quoted suggests Obama for America asked users' permission to consent to profile scraping. CA explicitly did not do same.

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      2. Lukas‏ @blubball 28 Mar 2018
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        Yeah but the Obama campaign gave us Obama not Trump. Obama seemd like an above average politician at the time, convincing people of hin isnt that far of a reach. Trump is an incompetent train wreck, convincing people of Trump is scary.

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 28 Mar 2018
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        Exactly that is the hypocrisy, I think. We cannot condemn the behavior of the other camp as immoral but condone the same behavior in ours. That discussion has nothing to do with our preference of Obama over Trump.

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      1. samim‏ @samim 28 Mar 2018
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        samim Retweeted samim

        https://twitter.com/samim/status/979046904347660288 …

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        samim @samim
        The deeper i'm getting into this book, the more disturbing it gets. Things like the Cambridge Analytica/Facebook scandal A) make much more sense in this context and B) seem like a "detail" compared the rich history of similar groups activities. https://twitter.com/samim/status/978927009358401541 …
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      1. Peter Rothman‏ @dangrsmind 29 Mar 2018
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        Except the Obama campaign had their own app that was clearly labeled as such and not a "personality quiz" :/ And also there is the issue of illegal campaign finances, using foreign campaign workers, etc. Not similar to the Obama campaign at all at this level.

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