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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. David Graeber‏ @davidgraeber 19 Mar 2018
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      David Graeber Retweeted Michael James

      I'm not a religious person, but surely atheists have better arguments than this! If so, why can brains make computers but computers can't make brains?https://twitter.com/Micksparklfc/status/974646192054439936 …

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      Michael James @MickAtheist
      I regard the brain as a computer. #atheist #atheism #science pic.twitter.com/b9NIiniJyg
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    2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 19 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @auxbuss @davidgraeber

      (since I was mentioned here:) If brains are computers, it follows that computers are made by computers. If brains are large, complicated computers set up in a very specific way that we have not fully figured out yet, it would not be surprising that brains cannot make brains yet.

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    3. David Graeber‏ @davidgraeber 19 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @Plinz @auxbuss

      "set up" is a transitive verb. It implies some demiurgic force. This is one reason the computer metaphor seems so odd to me, especially coming from atheists. Computers are tools that someone created to serve a purpose. Brains are not.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 19 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @davidgraeber @auxbuss

      Computer scientists define computers not as manmade tools, so this might be the source of our disagreement. A computer is a system that can change state in ways that are not completely random, and emulate a Turing Machine or something equally powerful, within its resource limits.

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        2. David Graeber‏ @davidgraeber 19 Mar 2018
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          Replying to @Plinz @auxbuss

          That's like saying I'm going to define a fish as anything that moves of its own accord, therefore, you are wrong to say that fish live in the water - or that people aren't really fish.

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        3. Maitas Brālis‏ @suncfunsungejs 19 Mar 2018
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          Sorry, but this is comparable to a comp scientist lecturing an anthropologist on some topic specific to anthropology. What is or isn't fish is defined by ichthyologists and other biologists, and what is a computer is defined by computer scientists.

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        2. David Graeber‏ @davidgraeber 19 Mar 2018
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          Replying to @Plinz @auxbuss

          if brains are ALREADY computers, as that definition implies, you would not be able to say computers will eventually make brains because there is no difference between the two. If there is a difference, my objection still holds. Be consistent!

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 19 Mar 2018
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          Replying to @davidgraeber @auxbuss

          If all brains are computers, it does not follow that all computers are brains.

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        1. David Graeber‏ @davidgraeber 19 Mar 2018
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          Replying to @Plinz @auxbuss

          it never occurred to me that scientists are that lacking in basic logic skills. I'm assuming they really aren't and you are offering an extremely poor representation of what they actually think. I hope so!

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