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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Lulie‏ @reasonisfun 12 Mar 2018
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      https://overcast.fm/+Ic2hwsH2U/1:10:49 … #AI “You could build a mind that thought that 51 was a prime number but otherwise had no defect of its intelligence – if you knew what you were doing” —@ESYudkowsky Is it possible build a mind able to learn but incapable of correcting this error? (Why?)

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    2. David Deutsch‏ @DavidDeutschOxf 12 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @reasonisfun @ESYudkowsky

      It isn't possible. Because from '51 not prime' you could lead it into a contradiction, such as 1=0. Then it would display another defect e.g. denying that that was a contradiction.

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 12 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @DavidDeutschOxf @reasonisfun @ESYudkowsky

      Most humans are such minds. Once they are sufficiently incentivized to believe in the divine revelation of 51 not being prime, they usually learn to compartmentalize that. Humans tend to have incredibly fragmented world models, at the cost of impairing independent inference.

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    4. Evan O'Leary‏ @EvanOLeary 12 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @Plinz @DavidDeutschOxf and

      They're not incapable of correcting that error though. It's just harder for them

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 12 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @EvanOLeary @DavidDeutschOxf and

      No, it's weird. I think that a big part of the enduring civilizational downfall after the end of the Roman empire was the destruction of the capacity for individual rationality by organized religion. Most people have no agency over their world view, and confusion is the default.

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    6. Wilhelm E. J. Klein‏ @Klein_Wilhelm 12 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @Plinz @EvanOLeary and

      But why downfall "after the end of the Roman empire"? Isn't that a very arbitrary point to pick? It's not like religion had no influence before said fall? From that perspective, hasn't civilisation been only "falling" for as long as religion was around?

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 12 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @Klein_Wilhelm @EvanOLeary and

      I think that the Greek and Roman civilizations were not religious. Their gods and temples did not act as a source of sacred universal norms, and their governments were rational. Bad incentives led to a crash of Roman governance, so it was rebuilt using nonrational religion.

      11:02 PM - 12 Mar 2018 from Cambridge, MA
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        1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 12 Mar 2018
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          Rome was a megacity. After its fall, no place in Europe had more than 50000 inhabitants. I find it remarkable how long it took the Christian civilization to get to a similar level in technology, agriculture, medicine, science and art as the predecessor civilization.

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