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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 15 Feb 2018
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      But our murderous nature has also been bred out of us whenever we completely conquered an area and had to get along. Which is precisely why historical injustice seems so upsetting to most of us.

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    2. Craig Moore‏ @Shoseki 15 Feb 2018
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      Explain the evolutionary mechanisms that bred them out. Natural selection? Did the less violent suddenly become super successful because of environmental changes? Sexual selection? Did women all simultaneously prefer to sleep with less dominating men?

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 15 Feb 2018
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      Yes, men that tried to become successful rapists and murderers suddenly had a lot less offspring when civilization took hold. The desire to climb a social hierarchy is not simply a veiled and repressed substitute for drinking the blood of your enemies from their skulls.

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    4. Craig Moore‏ @Shoseki 15 Feb 2018
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      "Civilization" has only been around perhaps 10k years, which is nothing evolutionarily speaking. I might be skeptical but I don't think we've changed that much. Humans have been in their current state roughly 125k-250k years. Minor changes I admit.

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 15 Feb 2018
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      You can breed wild foxes into dogs in just a handful of generations. Ten thousand years is a very long time. It is unlikely that the traits that were most useful to neolithic nomads were the same that maximize reproductive success for medieval peasants or oriental aristocrats.

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    6. Craig Moore‏ @Shoseki 15 Feb 2018
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      True but dogs have a wide range of genetic deficiencies, and that was only "achieved" through tyrrany. We as humans don't arbitrarily engineer for specific traits so perhaps it's more of a mellowing.

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 15 Feb 2018
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      This is simply not true. Throughout history, societies have very deliberately influenced which behaviors were rewarded with opportunities to feed and secure offspring and which did not. Families and individuals were deliberately selecting partners for their heritable traits, etc.

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    8. Craig Moore‏ @Shoseki 15 Feb 2018
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      I might be completely off base but my understanding was that agriculture and society *centralised* breeding opportunities, meaning that the "owners" were ultra successful and the worker males disproportionately unsuccessful.

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 15 Feb 2018
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      Not really, because until quite recently, the success of the aristocracy depended on the toils of a much larger general population that had to work on the fields, fight wars and so on. Good and obedient serfs had to raise a lot of children to keep the children of the courts fed.

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    10. Rita J. King‏ @RitaJKing 15 Feb 2018
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      Not a lot of sophisticated mate selection going on there, though.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 15 Feb 2018
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      Are you kidding? How did it escape your attention that the most important individual topic in human cognition, art and literature is mate selection?

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        2. Craig Moore‏ @Shoseki 15 Feb 2018
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          I thought the most important individual topics were "who are we, where did we come from, what should we do?"

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 15 Feb 2018
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          Yes, and they tend to be proxy questions for “why don’t you love me?”, and generally only asked by those who are not already busy with making love. :)

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          Widespread literacy is itself a fairly recent development, and it was achieved by a desire to interpret the word of God without middlemen.

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        1. Rita J. King‏ @RitaJKing 15 Feb 2018
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          Enlighten us about how the good and obedient serfs engaged in rigorous mate selection within their narrow band of options. And court marriages were arranged among literate elites.

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        1. Rita J. King‏ @RitaJKing 15 Feb 2018
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          And this is just through the narrow prism of a European perspective. In most places in most times in history, people, in general and for many reasons, breed with who is nearby.

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        1. Rita J. King‏ @RitaJKing 15 Feb 2018
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          And that did not escape my attention, as I suspect you know.

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