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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 15 Feb 2018
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    It is disturbing to realize that all humans alive today are the direct descendants of the most successful committers of murder, enslavement, rape and genocide, and all historical injustice is just the documented tail end of success and failure in primate evolutionary competition.

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      2. Craig Moore‏ @Shoseki 15 Feb 2018
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        Not only that, but it has been bred into our very nature by that evolutionary success.

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 15 Feb 2018
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        But our murderous nature has also been bred out of us whenever we completely conquered an area and had to get along. Which is precisely why historical injustice seems so upsetting to most of us.

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      2. vinney cavallo‏ @vinneycavallo 15 Feb 2018
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        I like it. (Also there’s a lot of great stuff you’re missing)

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 15 Feb 2018
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        Rape, murder, genocide and cannibalism are standard primate behavior (as are empathy and compassion). What makes us special are grammatical language and our ability to serve shared systems of meaning, i.e. the capabilities for deep prosociality. And much more efficient genocide.

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      2. Pavel Mayer‏Verified account @pavel23 15 Feb 2018
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        That is not entirely true. Social skills are important, the ability to form bonds with other people, gather and motivate supporters and friends. The most ruthless dictator is weak when alone, even among other primates. Gorillas gang up on stronger silverbacks who have no friends.

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 15 Feb 2018
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        That is not a contraction. Our main evolutionary adaptations were prosocial, so we could form large cohesive groups. However, most hominids that ever lived don't have any living descendants, and that was in no small part the result of the activities of our ancestors.

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      2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Feb 2018
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        It is not quite so dire. Within a cooperative group, rape and war are no longer viable strategies, and once everything is conquered or we have mutually assured destruction, only cooperative groups are left. But I do respect antinatalism as a position to eliminate suffering.

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      2. Ricky Billingsgate‏ @ambivalentricky 15 Feb 2018
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        The most quickly explicable logical flaw in your argument: assuming we're "all" descended from the most prolific rapists means we're also descended in equal measure from their victims, presumably much less violent people.

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 15 Feb 2018
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        Oh, definitely, the rapists were mostly male. For significant periods of human history, for every 10 women that had children only one or two men did. That also suggests considerable intra male violence.

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