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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 4 Feb 2018
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      Christian solution to the AI alignment problem: Build human-level intelligent robots, put them into a sandboxed physics engine for a lifetime, and see if they demonstrate devotion to their creator before promoting them to active duty. This is literately the Christian world view.

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    2. Rebel Science‏ @RebelScience 4 Feb 2018
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      Why are you making fun of Christianity? Why don't you make fun of Islam or some other religion? As a Christian, I am convinced that AGI will never come from the dirt worshipping community. They don't have a clue. They think deep learning is a step toward achieving AGI.

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 4 Feb 2018
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      I did not mean to make fun of Christianity, and Islam makes exactly the same proposal. AI alignment is a noble purpose, and I fully approve of and devote myself to all the Gods that have created me.

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    4. Rebel Science‏ @RebelScience 4 Feb 2018
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      My Christianity teaches me that nobody can come to Yahweh and receive eternal life unless he calls you and you believe. AI alignment is a problem only to the mainstream AI community because they are ignorant of psychology and the concept of classical and operant conditioning.

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 4 Feb 2018
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      The AI mainstream is not concerned with AI alignment, because they think that autonomous generally intelligent AI is quite far off. On the other hand, they know a lot about reinforcement learning, which is operand conditioning on steroids.

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    6. Rebel Science‏ @RebelScience 4 Feb 2018
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      You're kidding me? Mainstream AI talks about alignment all the time. It's an obsession with them. RL, the kind used by the likes of DeepMind and others, is not even close to what conditioning is about. You cannot have true conditioning unless you solve the problem of attention.

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 4 Feb 2018
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      I think you are correct that attentional learning is probably where it's at. But I am currently at AAAI and before that at IJCAI, which is about as mainstream AI as it gets, and the implications of Strong AI are still a fringe topic.

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    8. Rebel Science‏ @RebelScience 5 Feb 2018
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      Maybe but the alleged reason for the existence of outfits like OpenAI is to mitigate the risks of malevolent AGI and a mythical Singularity. Sure, others in the field know better given that none of them has a clue as to how to even approach the problem of unsupervised learning.

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    9. Rebel Science‏ @RebelScience 5 Feb 2018
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      Indeed, not a single AI researcher suspects that there can be no unsupervised visual learning without an artificial spiking retina. They do not even realize that the biggest problem with deep learning is that, unlike the brain, it is blind to patterns it has never seen before.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 5 Feb 2018
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      There are a lot of papers on spiking retinas, and some recent work by Kording et al about an econometric perspective on spiking neurons.

      10:58 AM - 5 Feb 2018
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        2. Rebel Science‏ @RebelScience 5 Feb 2018
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          Not one of those papers is from mainstream AI. They are from neurobiologists and researchers in computational neuroscience. @DeepMindAI has over 400 Phds doing research in AGI (so claims Hassabis). How many papers on spiking neural networks has Deepmind published? I can guess: 0.

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 5 Feb 2018
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          Could it be that you are sometimes slightly more opinionated than warranted by the evidence? Or do you think of that as a strategy that is more likely to yield results?

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