In the podcast, @OortCloudAtlas summarizes the non-ordinary consequences as: Impermanence, Suchness, & Meta-Rationality.
This valuable reformulation mirrors the traditional tantric progression from ordinary perception through emptiness, energy, and non-duality.
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Replying to @Meaningness @OortCloudAtlas
It non-duality really equivalent to meta rationality? It seems to be post rational to me, but not in the ribbonfarm sense, but as deliberate dissociation and restructuring of meaning-as-relevance.
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Replying to @Plinz @OortCloudAtlas
Well… “non-duality” has many meanings, depending on what two things aren’t dual, and what their relationship is if not duality.
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In this context, it refers specifically to the inseparability of form and emptiness. Rationality is forms/frameworks of reasoning/conceptuality. Meta-rationality involves recognizing the inseparable emptiness and form of the relationship between rationality and reality.
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Replying to @Meaningness @OortCloudAtlas
Ah. I have difficulty with this language, I need to translate to the actual dynamics of mental representation. Since we have different epistemologies and consequently metaphysics, translation might even be impossible. I wonder if ”emptiness“ and ”form“ can be fully salvaged.
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Replying to @Plinz @OortCloudAtlas
Right. I don’t think they can! I’ve substituted “nebulosity” and “pattern” because the traditional metaphysics seems too confused.
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Replying to @Meaningness @OortCloudAtlas
I am tempted to translate emptiness as the absence of meaning without a chosen point of reference (all meaning has to be constructed), and form as the discovery that the constructs are intrinsically constrained. Form is the observed structure, once axioms are chosen.
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Replying to @Meaningness @OortCloudAtlas
Now: there are apriori constraints discoverable about systems that are able to create dimensions of meaning and discover structure. I know that you are skeptical because you ran in to defective local optima when looking for them... but I think there is a way out of nebulosity.
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Replying to @Plinz @OortCloudAtlas
Well… have fun looking… and if you get discouraged, we can offer you Plan B!
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I am pretty much done here. It works, as far as I can see, and it is compatible with an epistemologically cleaned up understanding of Buddhist perspectives, and Kegan taken with a lots of grains of salt.
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