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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 3 Feb 2018
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      🎙 Outstanding discussion! @OortCloudAtlas & @VincentHorn on non-ordinary perception & cognition. In re psychedelics, but the same doors can be opened with meditation & contemplation. Dense with insights—I’m tempted to write a blog post summarizing!https://twitter.com/BuddhistGeeks/status/958356881210212352 …

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      🆕🎙 "Meditating on LSD" with Michael Taft Listen here: http://www.buddhistgeeks.org  pic.twitter.com/1MWTVXhHVx
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    2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 3 Feb 2018
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      As @OortCloudAtlas notes, some peculiarities of American Buddhism only make sense in light of its roots in 1960s-70s psychedelic culture, and the puritanical 1980s-90s reaction, rejection, and cover-up.

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    3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 3 Feb 2018
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      The puritanical reactionary cleansing of American Buddhism in the 1990s successfully banned the most valuable aspects of Buddhism, along with the bathwater. They may be permanently lost. I wrote about that here: https://vividness.live/2015/09/30/why-westerners-rebranded-secular-ethics-as-buddhist-and-banned-tantra/ …pic.twitter.com/QMK8dJGDQ7

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    4. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 3 Feb 2018
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      In the podcast, @OortCloudAtlas summarizes the non-ordinary consequences as: Impermanence, Suchness, & Meta-Rationality. This valuable reformulation mirrors the traditional tantric progression from ordinary perception through emptiness, energy, and non-duality.

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 3 Feb 2018
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      Replying to @Meaningness @OortCloudAtlas

      It non-duality really equivalent to meta rationality? It seems to be post rational to me, but not in the ribbonfarm sense, but as deliberate dissociation and restructuring of meaning-as-relevance.

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    6. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 3 Feb 2018
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      Well… “non-duality” has many meanings, depending on what two things aren’t dual, and what their relationship is if not duality.

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 3 Feb 2018
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      Replying to @Meaningness @Plinz @OortCloudAtlas

      In this context, it refers specifically to the inseparability of form and emptiness. Rationality is forms/frameworks of reasoning/conceptuality. Meta-rationality involves recognizing the inseparable emptiness and form of the relationship between rationality and reality.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 3 Feb 2018
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      Replying to @Meaningness @OortCloudAtlas

      Ah. I have difficulty with this language, I need to translate to the actual dynamics of mental representation. Since we have different epistemologies and consequently metaphysics, translation might even be impossible. I wonder if ”emptiness“ and ”form“ can be fully salvaged.

      11:11 AM - 3 Feb 2018 from New Orleans, LA
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        2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 3 Feb 2018
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          Right. I don’t think they can! I’ve substituted “nebulosity” and “pattern” because the traditional metaphysics seems too confused.

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 3 Feb 2018
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          I am tempted to translate emptiness as the absence of meaning without a chosen point of reference (all meaning has to be constructed), and form as the discovery that the constructs are intrinsically constrained. Form is the observed structure, once axioms are chosen.

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