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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Moshe Hoffman‏ @Moshe_Hoffman 21 Jan 2018
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      *albeit, u get a consistency hit, and lose the ability to proclaim certain values, if u advocate policies that seem inconsistent with those stated values. So sometimes our hands r forces, by THIS incentive. Imo that’s the REAL role logic/values r playing

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    2. Moshe Hoffman‏ @Moshe_Hoffman 21 Jan 2018
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      An example where that incentive is binding and actually influences behavior?

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    3. Moshe Hoffman‏ @Moshe_Hoffman 21 Jan 2018
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      Consider abortion debates. Now between u and me, religions oppose abortions bc they r trying to police women’s sexuality

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    4. Moshe Hoffman‏ @Moshe_Hoffman 21 Jan 2018
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      Such sexual policing norms r very common across cultures, and evolve for obvious reasons (like increasing paternal care and decreasing male male competition)

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    5. Moshe Hoffman‏ @Moshe_Hoffman 21 Jan 2018
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      And abortions, obviously, make it harder to police sexuality (can’t really sanction extra maristal copulation, if u can’t see it, and if woman doesn’t need to live w/ consequences)

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    6. Moshe Hoffman‏ @Moshe_Hoffman 21 Jan 2018
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      But obviously the church isn’t going to admit THAT is their motive (or even necessarily be aware of it). So they came up w/ some b.s. value re sanctity of life. And life begins at conception.

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    7. Moshe Hoffman‏ @Moshe_Hoffman 21 Jan 2018
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      (And of course even if u r not directly a member of the church, but a member of their political coalition, as gop has been since raegan, u now have some incentive to take on these ideologies, or at least the policies, too. Some. Maybe not as much as a church member)

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    8. Moshe Hoffman‏ @Moshe_Hoffman 21 Jan 2018
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      Now once the church proclaims THAT as their motive. They gotta stick to it. Even when it doesn’t fit their initial, not necessarily conscious, motivation. At least when the costs to sticking to it are not huge.

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    9. Moshe Hoffman‏ @Moshe_Hoffman 21 Jan 2018
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      So we get a church that opposes abortion even in the case of rape. Which obv makes no sense from perspective of disincentivizing extra-marital copulation. But is kinda required once u buy the sanctity of life+life begins at conception bullshit.

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    10. Moshe Hoffman‏ @Moshe_Hoffman 21 Jan 2018
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      What does this all teach us? Well ideologies/logic/values/reason matter. They have a REAL influence on policies. They r not COMPLETELY a cover story, as machieveli or might tell u. Bc these consistency incentives

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 21 Jan 2018
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      People tend to act on what they believe to be their incentives. Religions and ideologies are technologies to change what people believe to be their incentives.

      5:12 PM - 21 Jan 2018
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        2. Moshe Hoffman‏ @Moshe_Hoffman 21 Jan 2018
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          Or change the ACTUAL incentives.

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 21 Jan 2018
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          There are many ways in which systems of governance change actual incentives, and religious institutions use many of them. But the thing that sets religions and ideologies apart is that they change people's mental models of how the world works, and how it should be.

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