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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @paniq @DavidDeutschOxf

      I think that it is obviously much easier for our programs to have rational integrity than for us: that is perhaps the least of our problems.

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    2. L.  😷. Ritter‏ @paniq 16 Jan 2018
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      for routines with integrity, these are your practical options right now: 1. hardcoded set of rules. inflexible, very easy to construct fail cases against; does not have "integrity". 2. a trained set of choices; flexible, adaptive, yet not infallible & like (1), likely incomplete.

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    3. L.  😷. Ritter‏ @paniq 16 Jan 2018
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      if you wanted a machine with really good integrity, this machine would have to continously train itself with what humans of our day and age consider ethical, which, as i said before, is subject to culture, which changes continuously.

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jan 2018
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      Integrity just means functional consistency, and thus automatically includes the functions that regulate your purposes. You still seem to equate ethics with goodness, but it is just principled rationality to negotiate conflicts based on shared purposes.

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    5. L.  😷. Ritter‏ @paniq 16 Jan 2018
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      okay, that is not my colloquial understanding of integrity, and if you phrase it like that, sure, i can build you a machine that is highly integral. ;)

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    6. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jan 2018
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      My point is that I think you may not have had thought your colloquial concept of integrity through. I tried, and this is where it got me.

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    7. L.  😷. Ritter‏ @paniq 16 Jan 2018
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      no, sure, i know that definition. i thought you meant the other one; you know, a man of integrity is someone who stands by his morals. which is by definition subjective. that subjectivity will express itself in a machine's programming or training as well.

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    8. L.  😷. Ritter‏ @paniq 16 Jan 2018
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      so what does "higher integrity" even mean then? superficially it sounds great, but by your definition, pretty much all programs i use have higher integrity than i have.

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @paniq @DavidDeutschOxf

      Exactly, but they also tend to compute easy stuff in not very heterogeneous domains. If we can get them to compute what your mind does, can we give them higher integrity? Pretty sure we can.

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    10. L.  😷. Ritter‏ @paniq 16 Jan 2018
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      😬i'm going to go with "no" here.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jan 2018
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      Because Alpha Zero can turn chess into funky Tic Tac Toe in half a day, by considering Billions of games without losing coherence. Human brains cannot do that.

      10:15 AM - 16 Jan 2018 from Neighborhood 9, Cambridge
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        2. Liberté, égalité, anxiété‏ @MagpieMcGraw 16 Jan 2018
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          What does losing coherence mean?

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jan 2018
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          Lising coherence means that you can no longer integrate the results of your computations, and therefore fail to act on what you have already figured out.

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        1. L.  😷. Ritter‏ @paniq 16 Jan 2018
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          but life is not a chess match. fail and win states are not so clearly defined.

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