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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @paniq @DavidDeutschOxf

      It turns out that everything and everyone you can think of is a creation of your mind. You cannot have experiential access to the hardware of the universe. All identifications are with figments of your imagination.

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    2. L.  😷. Ritter‏ @paniq 16 Jan 2018
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      right. they're the maps we make to navigate our existence. and the map is not the territory.

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    3. L.  😷. Ritter‏ @paniq 16 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @paniq @Plinz @DavidDeutschOxf

      i told you we agree ;)

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jan 2018
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      But now take that understanding to the AI: clearly we can build systems tat achieve higher integrity with whatever purpose they identify with. Also, it can be moral for you to eat meat if animal suffering does not make animals moral subjects (= if you don’t share their purposes).

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    5. L.  😷. Ritter‏ @paniq 16 Jan 2018
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      being a hobby mathematician and programmer who is reasonably informed about machine learning, i strongly question the idea that we can build systems that have higher integrity. at least not along the paths of imitation that we are currently taking, and i know no other.

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    6. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jan 2018
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      I think that it is obviously much easier for our programs to have rational integrity than for us: that is perhaps the least of our problems.

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    7. L.  😷. Ritter‏ @paniq 16 Jan 2018
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      for routines with integrity, these are your practical options right now: 1. hardcoded set of rules. inflexible, very easy to construct fail cases against; does not have "integrity". 2. a trained set of choices; flexible, adaptive, yet not infallible & like (1), likely incomplete.

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    8. L.  😷. Ritter‏ @paniq 16 Jan 2018
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      if you wanted a machine with really good integrity, this machine would have to continously train itself with what humans of our day and age consider ethical, which, as i said before, is subject to culture, which changes continuously.

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @paniq @DavidDeutschOxf

      Integrity just means functional consistency, and thus automatically includes the functions that regulate your purposes. You still seem to equate ethics with goodness, but it is just principled rationality to negotiate conflicts based on shared purposes.

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    10. L.  😷. Ritter‏ @paniq 16 Jan 2018
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      okay, that is not my colloquial understanding of integrity, and if you phrase it like that, sure, i can build you a machine that is highly integral. ;)

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jan 2018
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      My point is that I think you may not have had thought your colloquial concept of integrity through. I tried, and this is where it got me.

      10:06 AM - 16 Jan 2018 from Neighborhood 9, Cambridge
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        2. L.  😷. Ritter‏ @paniq 16 Jan 2018
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          no, sure, i know that definition. i thought you meant the other one; you know, a man of integrity is someone who stands by his morals. which is by definition subjective. that subjectivity will express itself in a machine's programming or training as well.

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        3. L.  😷. Ritter‏ @paniq 16 Jan 2018
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          so what does "higher integrity" even mean then? superficially it sounds great, but by your definition, pretty much all programs i use have higher integrity than i have.

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