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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @paniq @DavidDeutschOxf

      I don’t think it is very simplistic what you said. Replace individuals with systems of purpose. Individuals are rarely only identified with their organism, but with principles that organize their foodchain (metaphorically and practically, in an evolutionary context).

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    2. L.  😷. Ritter‏ @paniq 16 Jan 2018
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      sure. you can apply these concepts to anything, but i find the dichotomy primitive. let alone because it _is_ a dichotomy. there are plenty of things that fall in neither or both categories.

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    3. L.  😷. Ritter‏ @paniq 16 Jan 2018
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      it all depends on how much god-status you have relative to a thing; are you deeply embedded in the grit of existence? then surely you have strong opinions on what is good or bad. are you hovering above it all? then what does good or bad even mean? it's just ... moving.

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @paniq @DavidDeutschOxf

      Less romantically put: your sense of good and evil depends on your particular identification with extrapersonal purposes. Conflicts about good and evil usually result from different identification.

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    5. L.  😷. Ritter‏ @paniq 16 Jan 2018
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      yup, that about covers it.

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    6. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jan 2018
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      It’s also where I probably disagree with the @DavidDeutschOxf because identification is arbitrary (though not all identifications are sustainable equally well or compatible with evolution), and AGI might want to disidentify with all extraneous purpose.

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    7. L.  😷. Ritter‏ @paniq 16 Jan 2018
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      it might depend on what a person or AI considers part of them. like, for many, the boundary of themselves does not end at the surface of their body. for few, it ends even before that.

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    8. L.  😷. Ritter‏ @paniq 16 Jan 2018
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      so, "extrapersonal": can be other people outside my continent. outside my nation or city or part of town. outside my family. outside my marriage. outside my skin. outside my consciousness.

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @paniq @DavidDeutschOxf

      It turns out that everything and everyone you can think of is a creation of your mind. You cannot have experiential access to the hardware of the universe. All identifications are with figments of your imagination.

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    10. L.  😷. Ritter‏ @paniq 16 Jan 2018
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      right. they're the maps we make to navigate our existence. and the map is not the territory.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @paniq @DavidDeutschOxf

      It’s an amazing feat that the organism can corrupt the fine computational processes of our mind enough to make them identify with things.

      9:42 AM - 16 Jan 2018 from Neighborhood 9, Cambridge
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        2. L.  😷. Ritter‏ @paniq 16 Jan 2018
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          fine computational processes? you must be jesting. natural selection has only permitted to exist what furthers. no identification with things (like babies or other people) means extinction. it's existentially useful. is it good or bad though? not going there :D

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jan 2018
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          If you go there you may discover that it is completely mutable and how you can rewrite yourself. That’s why I think it is highly relevant to think it through. We are the first species that can acquire the cognitive tools to reprogram itself.

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