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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. vakibs‏ @vakibs 15 Jan 2018
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      Missed out this old article. Addictions to smartphones and social media are possibly creating several bad graphs: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/has-the-smartphone-destroyed-a-generation/534198/ …

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    2. vakibs‏ @vakibs 15 Jan 2018
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      I am really looking forward to see a comparative study on how using a computer interface (or playing a game or using social media on the internet) compares with taking a drug. Does any exist? It is likely that same brain regions are affected. But how badly? We need to test this.

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    3. vakibs‏ @vakibs 15 Jan 2018
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      My intuitive guess is that most social media services are like overdosing on sugar, or on alcohol. In some extreme cases, they might be similar to the effects of amphetamines, or on some dark corners of the web, to heroin. What will be a computing equivalent to taking the LSD ?

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    4. vakibs‏ @vakibs 15 Jan 2018
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      There can be computing interfaces that literally expand the brain, without high-jacking the neural circuitry into an addictive behaviour. Certain drugs like LSD, mescaline etc. have highly transformative potential but are not addictive. Probably similar with computer interfaces.

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    5. vakibs‏ @vakibs 15 Jan 2018
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      I think the effect of psychadelics on computing pioneers in the 1960s, as documented by John @markoff, created paradigms such as "everything is a function (lisp)" or "everything is an object (smalltalk)". A perception (realisation?) of panpsychism through psychadelics?

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    6. samim‏ @samim 15 Jan 2018
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      I find these paradigms rather "un-psychedelic" actually. Take "objects", which in an even mildly profound LSD experience completely loose their permanence and importance. There are computational concepts that are related (generative/fractal etc.) but they are hardly in HCI so far

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    7. vakibs‏ @vakibs 15 Jan 2018
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      I think object-oriented programming paradigm is totally overtaken by the forces of Mordor. Nothing good left there. Lisp is still interesting. Impermanence and interconnectivity are actually there in the culture of Lisp, Smalltalk etc. Probably a far better language can come.

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    8. vakibs‏ @vakibs 15 Jan 2018
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      I think AI should ultimately create "live" objects that can really be alive, with infinitely many operating modes. I look at the current generation of generative models (GANs etc) as a step in that direction..

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    9. samim‏ @samim 15 Jan 2018
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      Agree, yet my bet is along the way towards "truly living artificial generative systems", we'll discover that life is not exclusively computational - or in other words we'll get a glimpse of infinity none-computing.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 15 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @samim @vakibs @markoff

      What is not computational? Do you have a formal definition?

      9:04 AM - 15 Jan 2018
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        1. samim‏ @samim 15 Jan 2018
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          It's very hard to speak about infinity, especially on twitter. Or as Lao Tzu said: "The tao that can be described is not the eternal Tao"

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