Going back to a culture that cannot sustain more than 300-400 Million people, and has lost rationalism and humanism, medicine and education would be the end of humanity. To say that @geochurch expresses hatred of people living under such conditions is a grave misunderstanding.
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Replying to @Plinz @geochurch
Sounds like you are also saying that medieval people are not human. In your eyes, to be human, one must have modern medicine & schools, & one must embrace rationalism and humanism.
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Replying to @robinhanson @geochurch
To me, humans are individuals of the species homo sapiens, humanity is our civilization.
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Replying to @Plinz @geochurch
So all humans before the last few hundred years, and a great many people still today, lacked "humanity".
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Replying to @robinhanson @geochurch
In medieval times, most human beings lived under what we would today consider inhumane conditions: abject poverty, high rates of child mortality, high mortality due to disease and malnutrition, frequent wars, little protection by rule of law, absence of freedom of expression.
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Replying to @Plinz @geochurch
I wouldn't call those conditions inhuman, though I might call inhumane someone who forced others into such conditions when other options were possible.
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Replying to @robinhanson @geochurch
Yes, that difference in the use of the word might be the root of the misunderstanding! Church likely didn't use "humanity" as normative, but descriptive for civilizational attainment. I find it implausible that he would consider people living under medieval conditions as subhuman
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Replying to @Plinz @geochurch
That seems to me a pretty confusing and even misleading use of the the phrase "end of humanity"
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Replying to @robinhanson @geochurch
Yes, I noticed, and I still find it very difficult to parse the statement in the way in which you apparently did! I lack your inner context, because I see the use of "humanity" as a normative term to describe human sacredness and dignity as an invention of post-medieval humanism.
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I reject claims about humanity that don't fit all cultures over the past ten thousand years or longer. Those provide empirical evidence as to the nature of human being.
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Exactly, and it is the nature of human beings that should worry us if we care about humanity, and civilization breaks down.
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