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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson 12 Jan 2018
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      Wow, such hate; to him medieval people aren't even human: "'You end up with a medieval level of culture,' Church says. 'To me that is the end of humanity.'"https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/01/could-science-destroy-world-these-scholars-want-save-us-modern-day-frankenstein …

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    2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 12 Jan 2018
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      Going back to a culture that cannot sustain more than 300-400 Million people, and has lost rationalism and humanism, medicine and education would be the end of humanity. To say that @geochurch expresses hatred of people living under such conditions is a grave misunderstanding.

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    3. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson 12 Jan 2018
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      Sounds like you are also saying that medieval people are not human. In your eyes, to be human, one must have modern medicine & schools, & one must embrace rationalism and humanism.

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 12 Jan 2018
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      To me, humans are individuals of the species homo sapiens, humanity is our civilization.

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    5. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson 12 Jan 2018
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      So all humans before the last few hundred years, and a great many people still today, lacked "humanity".

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    6. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 12 Jan 2018
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      In medieval times, most human beings lived under what we would today consider inhumane conditions: abject poverty, high rates of child mortality, high mortality due to disease and malnutrition, frequent wars, little protection by rule of law, absence of freedom of expression.

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    7. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson 12 Jan 2018
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      I wouldn't call those conditions inhuman, though I might call inhumane someone who forced others into such conditions when other options were possible.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 12 Jan 2018
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      Replying to @robinhanson @geochurch

      Yes, that difference in the use of the word might be the root of the misunderstanding! Church likely didn't use "humanity" as normative, but descriptive for civilizational attainment. I find it implausible that he would consider people living under medieval conditions as subhuman

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        2. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson 12 Jan 2018
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          Replying to @Plinz @geochurch

          That seems to me a pretty confusing and even misleading use of the the phrase "end of humanity"

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 12 Jan 2018
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          Yes, I noticed, and I still find it very difficult to parse the statement in the way in which you apparently did! I lack your inner context, because I see the use of "humanity" as a normative term to describe human sacredness and dignity as an invention of post-medieval humanism.

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