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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Eschersand  🔜 Underground Human Reservations  ⚖️‏ @Eschersand 11 Jan 2018
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      Eschersand  🔜 Underground Human Reservations  ⚖️ Retweeted Joscha Bach

      is a bit ironic that I am a anti-authoritarian who promotes a military dictatorship of earth #Government #PhilosophyOfExistence #Policy #DecisionTheory #IntelligenceRulehttps://twitter.com/Plinz/status/950432437527556097 …

      Eschersand  🔜 Underground Human Reservations  ⚖️ added,

      Joscha Bach @Plinz
      The unreasonably high price of being wrong is the flip side of authority. We need to learn to be deeply irreverent of authority (which does not imply disrespect), and instead focus on ideas and the arguments that support them.
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    2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 11 Jan 2018
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      Every working society is built around a death star, but the folks maintaining it should not form the administration if it can be helped. You want to remove the option for violence, but rule via civil negotiation, not terror.

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    3. Eschersand  🔜 Underground Human Reservations  ⚖️‏ @Eschersand 11 Jan 2018
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      to flip that a bit, in the sense of prisoner reform i guess, but that's really a complicated subject as we phase from nonsentient evolution to a sentient regime and end of social gov theory Temporal math: Science > Biodiversity > Transient entities [universal existential key]

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 11 Jan 2018
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      If we manage to completely align our social structure with inclusive fitness I am disinterested. I find the idea of being selected subservient to a yeast god repulsive.

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    5. Eschersand  🔜 Underground Human Reservations  ⚖️‏ @Eschersand 11 Jan 2018
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      yet bacterial biomass is worth more then the temp. human race. is where the bulk of earths billions yrs of evolutionary intelligence (infinity games on surface of the quantum ocean) is contained, the more that is lost the longer real time sentient evolution takes to develop, yes?

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    6. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 11 Jan 2018
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      Given a large enough surface, prokaryotic evolution is blindingly fast when compared to geological time spans. Eukaryotic evolution seems to have a larger search space and is more prone to local optima before it gets to general intelligence. And we don't seem to be sustainable.

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 11 Jan 2018
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      Ah, correction. The problem with evolving large multicellular critters is that the numbers of individuals are very small, generations are extremely long, and dependencies on habitat and food chain ecology are complicated, when compared to single celled organisms.

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    8. Eschersand  🔜 Underground Human Reservations  ⚖️‏ @Eschersand 11 Jan 2018
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      you'd probably have to be a condensed matter researcher to even begin to comprehend the scale of computational complexity of nature. (and valuation via processing time) .. or perhaps the subject is over humanities head entirely. I suppose Elon Musk suffers from the same handicap

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 11 Jan 2018
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      Why? I don't think it is so hard. Seth Lloyd gives a decent way of estimating the upper bound on the number of operations in a given spacetime volume.

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    10. Eschersand  🔜 Underground Human Reservations  ⚖️‏ @Eschersand 11 Jan 2018
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      and he's been pretty roundly debunked too. as a side note, if you comment on your last comment it doesn't fragment the thread

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 11 Jan 2018
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      Could you please link me to a debunking of Seth Lloyd's argument? I may have a chance to ask him about it tomorrow.

      3:04 PM - 11 Jan 2018
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        2. Eschersand  🔜 Underground Human Reservations  ⚖️‏ @Eschersand 11 Jan 2018
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          is the gestalt of physics knowledge that debunks past calculations on such things as overly conservative as we map new relations. the exponential expansion of the devils work. but here is one element (that is admittedly still under debate) https://futurism.com/sorry-elon-physicists-say-we-definitely-arent-living-in-a-computer-simulation/ …

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        3. Eschersand  🔜 Underground Human Reservations  ⚖️‏ @Eschersand 11 Jan 2018
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          and while I diverted to a different topic, I think the "simplest" proof against simulation theory is in the philosophy of boltzmann brains, but that's far beyond where academia has yet gotten to

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