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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Pawel Pachniewski‏ @pwlot 4 Jan 2018
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      Strictly not true, yes. I left out the nuance in favor of punch. It is true for the sort of radical change people like to talk about, change that in my opinion requires change of basic human drives. For my point, I also assume it's desirable to not take away agency.

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    2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 4 Jan 2018
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      It seems that most people function well under a wide variety of social orders. It also seems that giving up a degree of agency is not a bug but an evolved feature of the cognitive architecture of most humans. What change do you have in mind?

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    3. Pawel Pachniewski‏ @pwlot 4 Jan 2018
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      Let's say that the human cognitive architecture is more than just ill-equipped to handle the transition to posthumanism. Adapt or perish. :) But I also think some old school ideals will never work with homo sapiens.

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 4 Jan 2018
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      Ah! I thought the good news is that once we have AI we won't need humans or posthumans any more?

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    5. Pawel Pachniewski‏ @pwlot 4 Jan 2018
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      By the way, slightly related and I'm curious what you think about this: the idea that we're not as generally intelligent as like to think we are. We want to create AGI, and of course we want cross-domain learning transfer and such, but just how much of a NGI are we?

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    6. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 4 Jan 2018
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      I thought for a while that we are maybe not generally intelligent and now I think we are, once we fix our epistemology. Using pen and paper for storage, we can execute any algorithm and approximate any function that can be approximated by a resource bounded Turing Machine.

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 4 Jan 2018
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      Basically, it seems clear that while our brains are small and short lived, we already implement general recursive function approximation. But we needed to bootstrap the ability to use and propagate formalized knowledge across generations.

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    8. Pawel Pachniewski‏ @pwlot 4 Jan 2018
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      Yes, but there some rather frighteningly large unknowns in mind design space and physics (still). I also think you have to agree we don't have computation quite settled.

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 4 Jan 2018
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      The design of a good enough mind might be simple: General recursive function approximation to minimize entropy of the patterns showing up at the thalamus, a handful of rewards to make us interested in survival, sociality and language, and a few biases to speed up convergence.

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    10. Pawel Pachniewski‏ @pwlot 4 Jan 2018
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      You want to implement those and/or assume Omohundro drives?

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 4 Jan 2018
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      Btw, I think that the drive architecture for different types of minds is almost trivial to implement. The hard part is efficient general function approximation.

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        1. Pawel Pachniewski‏ @pwlot 4 Jan 2018
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          We're not very concrete here, but it sounds to me like you grossly underestimate possible mind designs, if you're to call it trivial. If you're going to design autonomous agents , that is.

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