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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 23 Dec 2017
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      In the long run, the most successful ideologies are going to be those that are best aligned with evolution. Unfortunately, evolution tends to be very unpleasant for its participants. At some point, we may have to choose between favoring ethics or life.

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    2. Turil Cronburg‏ @thewiseturtle 24 Dec 2017
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      Interesting theory. In my experience evolution is the most pleasant thing, because it is what creates positive change. More fitness means less sickness. Ethics and evolution are the same, ultimately.

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 24 Dec 2017
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      Spoken like a true apex predator in his prime! The sorting hat calls you into the house of Fascism, oh dark one.

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    4. Turil Cronburg‏ @thewiseturtle 24 Dec 2017
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      That's pretty funny, given that you are speaking to a homeless woman. Also, evolution always moves things towards more prosocial cooperation, and weeds out the predatory dinosaurs. Fitness = being a part of something greater than oneself.

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 24 Dec 2017
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      I am not judging! Also, the predatory dinosaurs were only killed by a meteor. And the strongest predators right now are groups with internal prosocial cooperation and external ruthlessness.

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    6. Turil Cronburg‏ @thewiseturtle 24 Dec 2017
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      You were assuming. And natural selection does indeed sometimes involve giant catastrophies. The dinosaurs of human society will encounter a memetic meteor sooner or later, and us actually prosocial, collaborative types will win out.

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 24 Dec 2017
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      I think I agree: eventually, all that can be conquered will be won, and all that remains is coordination. Alas, I think climate change will make much of the planet uninhabitable for us, and this may wipe out civilization

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    8. Turil Cronburg‏ @thewiseturtle 24 Dec 2017
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      In my understanding of physics, all possible futures happen, and it's the ones that we are looking for (expect) that we end up in, as individuals. The old quantum-wave-form-collapsing-depending-on-how-you-observe-things thing. You might end up there, while I don't.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 24 Dec 2017
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      This understanding of physics might be mistaken; you should try to derive this result from first principles by yourself, so you get an idea of the lay of the land in foundational physics

      3:13 PM - 24 Dec 2017
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        2. Turil Cronburg‏ @thewiseturtle 24 Dec 2017
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          Also, what are these "first principles" you are speaking of? And why do you assume I have not derived my result from them?

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 24 Dec 2017
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          I do not have any interesting assumptions about you, because I received only about 500 bits from you. I only react to those 500 bits, not to you as a person. (Nobody ever reacts to us as a person, not even ourselves, but that is a different story.)

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        1. Turil Cronburg‏ @thewiseturtle 24 Dec 2017
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          Obviously any theory one has is at least partly "wrong" since nothing can be perfect with limited information, but I have yet to see any other proposal for a theory, nor come up with anything better. If you have one, I'm happy to test it out!

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