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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 23 Dec 2017
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      The goal of studying ideologies is not to sort them into good and evil ones and to pick the best one. The goal is not to move left or right, but up and out. As long as we are triggered by ideology, we know we still carry competing infections.

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    2. David Kedmey‏ @DKedmey 23 Dec 2017
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      Ideologies contain good and evil ideas, which we should freely rearrange, combine, alter and add to. Progressing to a better set of ideas. Up and out.

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 23 Dec 2017
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      Evil is the alien god. Ideas are evil only to the degree that they are incompatible with one's own system of values, but values are cultural constructs.

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    4. Gregg Miller‏ @Gregg_E_Miller 23 Dec 2017
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      If a functioning ideology is internally consistent does this mean it contains no evil? And how do we justify critiquing another system from within our own system? Can there be both resident and alien evil?

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 23 Dec 2017
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      Evil is whatever harms the sacred purpose. Ideology needs no justification, a world without sacredness has no meaning. Sometimes ideologies are defined in such a way that even its adherents have no chance to not commit evil, so they are eternal sinners in need of redemption.

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    6. Gregg Miller‏ @Gregg_E_Miller 23 Dec 2017
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      We need to be able to challenge a dangerous ideology to justify itself in an attempt to help it escape itself. We don't just let any old ideology lose on the world without a fight.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 23 Dec 2017
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      An ideology is just invasive software. It runs on people, replacing their agency with its own, but that does not turn it into a sentient being we need to respect. Its value is purely instrumental.

      4:33 PM - 23 Dec 2017
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        2. Gregg Miller‏ @Gregg_E_Miller 23 Dec 2017
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          I get that ideology can be a kind of infection but our ideologies impact on real people in the real world. So we have a certain accountability to each other for the ideas we hold. This is sacred.

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 23 Dec 2017
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          Based on our ideology. From a purely rational perspective, people are just some strain of yeast that is about to face extinction, to be replaced by other yeast until the local sun burns out.

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