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    Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 17 Dec 2017
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    The minimal explanation for what is going on still requires that something must hold the state of the universe and execute its transition function. This prime mover, the basic Turing machine ticking away in the void is a debt that freaks me out.

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      2. Zed Burnett‏ @chophshiy 17 Dec 2017
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        There is no ontological debt; Nothing exists in the conventional sense. It's all a potential pattern which cannot not be fact. 2+2=4 and an infinite number of other relations are true, which are the 'atoms' of this pattern. Transition is only apparent from within subsets.

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 17 Dec 2017
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        I don't see how we can exist in (constructive) mathematics. Something must compute, I am stuck with the same conclusion as Aristotle

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      2. Erik Moeller‏ @xirzon 17 Dec 2017
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        That's remarkable only if the transition function is very complex. I suspect it's extremely simple. Even repeated operation of XOR produces remarkable emergent behavior (e.g., http://eloquence.github.io/elixor/  ).

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 17 Dec 2017
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        No! I know that a minimal finite state machine for performing universal computation is incredibly easy to make. And yet, how is there something rather than nothing? Does that not blow your mind?

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      2. mere_mortise‏ @mere_mortise 17 Dec 2017
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        The simplest prime mover conceivable of generating our universe is one that enumerates and runs ALL algorithms in a round-robin manner. Unfortunately, that does not tell us anything about the laws of our universe.

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      3. mere_mortise‏ @mere_mortise 17 Dec 2017
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        Isn't it evident that the enumerator is the prime mover? How else would one explain that humans likely could have evolved in much simpler universes? The additional complexity can only be explained by assuming that universes of all levels of complexity are run in parallel.

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      1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 17 Dec 2017
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        Psychedelics allow to break out of local minima in modeling space by increasing the hyperparameter for probability of unproven priors. If your epistemology is not waterproof you may get lost and become a mystic. The universe has no gnostic interface.

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      2. Nick Palladinos‏ @NickPalladinos 18 Dec 2017
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        Instead of "the void" Ed Fredkin used to refer it as "other".

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 18 Dec 2017
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        Yes, he told me... and since his particular digital physics has so many epicycles, he is drawn to the suspicion that there are intentional beings in the other. But now we are stuck with the same autogenesis problem, one level higher.

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      2. Steffen R‏ @ste1904 17 Dec 2017
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        A prime mover of a transition function would imply something like a universally defined absolut time measure („ticking in the void“)...which does not exist according to general relativity. Or am I getting your argument wrong?

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 17 Dec 2017
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        Time is intrinsically relativistic, and only exists with respect to the rate of change of an observer observing change in its environment. State transitions on the substrate graph are more fundamental than time.

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