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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1.  🤡 this time will be different  🤡‏ @cemerick 14 Dec 2017
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      I can't fault anyone for trying to be generous in interpreting something, or giving the benefit of doubt, least of all @anil. Just not the only reasonable posture anymore IMO is all.

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    2. Marc Milgrom  🇺🇸‏ @cookedinwine 14 Dec 2017
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      Oh. You actually think Altman HAS ill intent? Interesting. I’m inclined to think he’s just another utopian but misguided libertarian-leaning tech bro, but I really don’t know. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/10/sam-altmans-manifest-destiny …

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    3.  🤡 this time will be different  🤡‏ @cemerick 14 Dec 2017
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      Is there any difference between someone with bad intent, and someone that actually doesn't, but who acts and speaks as if he does, over and over?

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    4. Marc Milgrom  🇺🇸‏ @cookedinwine 14 Dec 2017
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      If he can be shown he’s doing so and how to amend it? Then yes.

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 14 Dec 2017
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      Almost all people try to serve good, and most people even agree what they think is good (reducing suffering, increasing flourishing etc.). But people strongly disagree on the best strategy to increase goodness, and think those advocating other strategies must be motivated by evil

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    6. Marc Milgrom  🇺🇸‏ @cookedinwine 14 Dec 2017
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      I don't think that's true. I think some people are malicious, and many people are motivated by personal greed to the exclusion of all else, with similar results, and I think that power and wealth, and maybe moreso the promise of them, corrupt and blind people to good.

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 14 Dec 2017
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      Do you think it remotely plausible that @sama is maliciously serving personal greed by harming gay teenagers via pointing out that public discourse in the US has possibly become too totalitarian? I worry that this country is falling apart.

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    8. Anil Dash‏Verified account @anildash 14 Dec 2017
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      The conceit that this is just about speech is part of what’s absurd here. It’s about who they’ll write multi-million-dollar checks to. That’s the actual objection, “why can’t I write huge checks to unabashed homophobes?”

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    9.  🤡 this time will be different  🤡‏ @cemerick 14 Dec 2017
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      More pointedly, he can, he likely has, and likely will. He just doesn't want to suffer any reputational consequences of doing so.

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    10.  🤡 this time will be different  🤡‏ @cemerick 14 Dec 2017
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      btw, re: "too totalitarian": you can say exactly *everything* one might have said in 1950. You just might not be able to get/keep jobs, partners, friends, etc. Speech is freer than ever, there just happen to be material *private* consequences

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 14 Dec 2017
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      In Eastern Germany, the consequence for saying things you were not supposed to say was usually not prison (because few things were explicitly illegal to say), but loss of university placing, career, etc., and you were shunned by colleagues and sometimes even friends and partners.

      8:05 PM - 14 Dec 2017
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        1.  🤡 this time will be different  🤡‏ @cemerick 14 Dec 2017
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          To revise what I said previously: you would face exactly those consequences in 1950 too, but *only* if you said or did things that contravened the powerful mainstream demanded the subjugation of women, brown people, queer folk, etcetc.

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