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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 14 Dec 2017
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      Do you really think that it is an accurate summary of the argument that @sama expressed the wish to allocate funding so that more gay teens kill themselves?

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    2. Anil Dash‏Verified account @anildash 14 Dec 2017
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      I think that’s the outcome of giving countless dollars in funding & invaluable social capital to homophobes. I think enough of @sama to assume that’s not his intent, thus me pointing out the issue. If I thought he meant to cause that, I wouldn’t bother.

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    3.  🤡 this time will be different  🤡‏ @cemerick 14 Dec 2017
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      As someone who only knows @sama from his and his org's very public words and actions, making that assumption of his/their intent seems unwarranted ᖍ(ツ)ᖌ

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    4. Marc Milgrom  🇺🇸‏ @cookedinwine 14 Dec 2017
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      He just said he didn’t think it was the intent. But it IS the outcome. Enabling hate by funding haters, regardless of their other talents, creates more victims. As @nberlat just wrote, “Free speech has long been used to protect the speech of people who were already free.”

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    5.  🤡 this time will be different  🤡‏ @cemerick 14 Dec 2017
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      I can't fault anyone for trying to be generous in interpreting something, or giving the benefit of doubt, least of all @anil. Just not the only reasonable posture anymore IMO is all.

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    6. Marc Milgrom  🇺🇸‏ @cookedinwine 14 Dec 2017
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      Oh. You actually think Altman HAS ill intent? Interesting. I’m inclined to think he’s just another utopian but misguided libertarian-leaning tech bro, but I really don’t know. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/10/sam-altmans-manifest-destiny …

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    7.  🤡 this time will be different  🤡‏ @cemerick 14 Dec 2017
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      Is there any difference between someone with bad intent, and someone that actually doesn't, but who acts and speaks as if he does, over and over?

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    8. Marc Milgrom  🇺🇸‏ @cookedinwine 14 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @cemerick @anildash and

      If he can be shown he’s doing so and how to amend it? Then yes.

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 14 Dec 2017
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      Almost all people try to serve good, and most people even agree what they think is good (reducing suffering, increasing flourishing etc.). But people strongly disagree on the best strategy to increase goodness, and think those advocating other strategies must be motivated by evil

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    10. Marc Milgrom  🇺🇸‏ @cookedinwine 14 Dec 2017
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      I don't think that's true. I think some people are malicious, and many people are motivated by personal greed to the exclusion of all else, with similar results, and I think that power and wealth, and maybe moreso the promise of them, corrupt and blind people to good.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 14 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @cookedinwine @cemerick and

      Do you think it remotely plausible that @sama is maliciously serving personal greed by harming gay teenagers via pointing out that public discourse in the US has possibly become too totalitarian? I worry that this country is falling apart.

      7:48 PM - 14 Dec 2017
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        2. Anil Dash‏Verified account @anildash 14 Dec 2017
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          The conceit that this is just about speech is part of what’s absurd here. It’s about who they’ll write multi-million-dollar checks to. That’s the actual objection, “why can’t I write huge checks to unabashed homophobes?”

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        3.  🤡 this time will be different  🤡‏ @cemerick 14 Dec 2017
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          More pointedly, he can, he likely has, and likely will. He just doesn't want to suffer any reputational consequences of doing so.

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