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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 12 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @vakibs @TheodoreBolha and

      In which case you have different universes, since they don't interact beyond sharing a single state, so neither of the observers needs to worry about the idea (or could have evidence) that other observers and their universes exist.

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    2. vakibs‏ @vakibs 13 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @Plinz @TheodoreBolha and

      The universes might interact.

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 13 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @vakibs @TheodoreBolha and

      The universe with respect to an observer is only the causal network that feeds back to him. All causal branches that cannot lead back are part of a different universe. Thus, we can be in a setup like the one you have in mind but it makes no difference.

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    4. vakibs‏ @vakibs 13 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @Plinz @TheodoreBolha and

      I think there is only one universe. But the link of causality is constrained for certain observers who cannot see the othe paths in which the universe is unfolding. But it is not true always. For example, the double slit experiment in quantum interference.

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 13 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @vakibs @TheodoreBolha and

      If we cannot have any evidence for the number of universes in existence, it is logically wrong to have a nonzero confidence in the belief that there is only one. What would such evidence look like? Likewise, speculation about observers in other universes is pointless.

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    6. vakibs‏ @vakibs 13 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @Plinz @TheodoreBolha and

      We disagree merely about how we define the word "universe". I am sticking to the etymology of the word: uni+verse.

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 13 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @vakibs @TheodoreBolha and

      Isn't it confusing to pick meaning for words that cannot have a referent with assignable truth values?

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    8. vakibs‏ @vakibs 13 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @Plinz @TheodoreBolha and

      Life is confusing :) There are many concepts for which truth values cannot be assigned. We try to do the best with what we have (language). Sometimes we convey meaning. It is easier to convey meaning when there is a human on the other side, and not a computer.

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 13 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @vakibs @TheodoreBolha and

      But humans are computers. Just confused ones. Thinking should be used to reduce confusion, not to increase it :)

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    10. vakibs‏ @vakibs 14 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @Plinz @TheodoreBolha and

      vakibs Retweeted vakibs

      We already disagreed about this Joscha :) I agree that thinking (via language) should reduce confusion. But communication between humans is ultimately about communicating experience, which may not be reducible to language i.e to computation.https://twitter.com/vakibs/status/940231746360152065?s=17 …

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      I don't think any experience can be reduced to computation. There are two realities in this world: experience and computation. One helps the other, but neither can be reduced to the other..
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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 14 Dec 2017
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      Replying to @vakibs @TheodoreBolha and

      Yes, I know, the religious indoctrination of your culture broke your mind.

      12:23 AM - 14 Dec 2017
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        2. neuroplastic‏ @mylesbyrne 14 Dec 2017
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          Joscha, you're projecting <3

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 14 Dec 2017
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          Replying to @mylesbyrne @vakibs and

          No, I am just living in a computational universe, and I think Vakibs is not seeing it because his culture has given him an antimechanist null hypothesis that is anchored in a need for meaning

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