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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 11 Dec 2017
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      Totalitarian states are incentivized to keep you productive and aligned. (Even if they might do a poor job, and may use terror for alignment.) But civil war means that there is no food production, no way to build homes and infrastructure.

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      Religious totalitarianism was the default for humanity since we formed agrarian societies. Totalitarianism is what got us here. The death tolls of totalitarianism are the flip side of forming arbitrarily large economic entities with full top-down control.

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      Pluralism was the conclusion of the cost to enforce totalitarianism, but a full commitment to pluralism entails the deconstruction of moral universalism. After that, a good chunk of our productivity progress came not just from liberalism, but also from modernist totalitarianisms.

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      For instance, the current form of moderate ethno fascism that runs China results from reforming Maoist totalitarianism, after it ate feudalist absolutism with Konfucian norms.

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      This is what it looks like to someone who thinks that the "freer society" is not collapsing all around us. From the perspective of the engineers running China, and who hope to still have it run in 2000 years from now, it might seem different?

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      I don't think that you are free to just pick the interpretation you like. Map the space of possibilities and assign probabilities. I think it is ...not fully unlikely... that liberalist pluralist society's ambitions are currently failing.

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          No, what I am saying is that you probably cannot know. The idea that you are free to pick a conviction in the absence of evidence is fundamentally wrong.

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