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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. M_Methuselah‏ @M_Methuselah 1 Nov 2017
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      Everyone talks about hypothetically going back in time to kill Hitler, but no one talks about hypothetically going back in time to kill Marx.

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    2.  🤖 🦉CyberOwl  🦉 🤖‏ @Supreme_Owl_FTW 2 Nov 2017
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      Kill Hegel, prevent both Hitler and Marx.

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    3. M_Methuselah‏ @M_Methuselah 2 Nov 2017
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      I feel like that line of thinking opens an unwieldy rabbit hole where we would continue to trace back the lineage of philosophical tradition much further than necessary.

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 2 Nov 2017
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      Basically, Marx was to Stalin and Mao what Darwin was to Hitler and Mussolini.

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 2 Nov 2017
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      Marx was describing the suffering brought on by early capitalism and developed a theory of historical determinism. He was not advocating war

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    6. M_Methuselah‏ @M_Methuselah 2 Nov 2017
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      Yet Darwin's theory very accurately describes the biological domain to which it is applicable, but Marx's theory is very inaccurate regarding the historical domain. Additionally, evolution as applied has no moral framework, while communism as applied is itself a moral framework.

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    7. M_Methuselah‏ @M_Methuselah 2 Nov 2017
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      All subsequent violence and war supposedly inspired by evolution was caused by the inapropriate construction a moral framework around the theory. Violence and war supposedly inspired by communism was caused by the moral framework that is itself communism.

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    8. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 2 Nov 2017
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      Marx' idea of intrinsic crisis in capitalism was basically correct. He had no way of foreseeing the horrors of stalinism.

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    9. M_Methuselah‏ @M_Methuselah 2 Nov 2017
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      A theory is only correct if it has predictive as well as descriptive power. Marx failed to predict the horrors of Stalinism because his understanding of history, morality, and economics was wrong. Darwin successfully predicted Morgan's sphinx moth. The theory itself, much more.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 2 Nov 2017
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      Marx theory had a number of flaws, but it might turn out to be essentially correct once AI destroys the labor based economy...

      12:54 AM - 2 Nov 2017
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        2. M_Methuselah‏ @M_Methuselah 2 Nov 2017
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          "A number of flaws." Capitalism did not fail. Even if you count the way that the AI revolution will change the economic landscape as post-capitalism, creation of AI was only possible though the SUCCESS of capitalism. AI represents the success of capitalism, not its failure.

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 2 Nov 2017
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          Feudalism (rule by land owners) was replaced by capitalism (stock owners) due to industrialization.

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        2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 2 Nov 2017
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          I suspect that you did not actually read Marx and mix him up with Marxism/Leninism and Marxist ideologies?

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        3. M_Methuselah‏ @M_Methuselah 2 Nov 2017
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          That's like saying that I'm mixing up the words of the bible with christianity the religion. Christianity is more than the bible, yet all of the bible is the domain of christianity. Similarly, all of Marx's theory is the domain of Marxism and Marxist ideologies.

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