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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz May 9
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    From the perspective of computationalism, there is no way to not be either a computationalist or fundamentally confused. Thats because computationalism is not a specific statement about how the world works but an insight about the validity of models.

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      2. - M -‏ @emergentmind May 11
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        Has becoming a computationalist stopped you from being confused? For me, both works very well together. But at least now I am aware of my confusion.

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz May 11
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        I am still confused, but with respect to basic epistemology, ontology and metaphysics, my confusion has reached a different level. I am also still somewhat confused about what precisely I am confused about.

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      2. NLS Records‏ @nlsrecords May 9
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        Just watching your talk on Chaos Computer Club from 2018. You gave a very interesting talk, thank you. Have you read the paper about Ai Economist from Harvard and Salesforce https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.13332.pdf … The only pre-conception I have in this system allow Ai to do our economics -1984

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz May 9
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        At this point, the decision is not to let AI run our economies but to find better models to base macroeconomic decisions on.

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      1. 3ॐc³‏ @S33light May 13
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        Nothing concrete can create an abstraction. Nothing abstract can create anything concrete. Both the abstract and concrete are qualities within conscious experience, and only consciousness can connect those two extremes.

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      1. 3ॐc³‏ @S33light May 13
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        Computation is an abstraction in consciousness.

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      2. Nikos Tzagarakis‏ @NikosTzagarakis May 10
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        So it’s equivalently “wrong” with the notion that Mathematics is the language of the Universe?... meaning that we confuse a way of explaining the world with the actual world.

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      3. 3ॐc³‏ @S33light May 13
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        Yes, models are blind to their own insufficiency - hence Incompleteness is true. Being blind to your blind spot makes it impossible for comp-ism to critique itself.

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      1. truh‏ @truh28632711 May 9
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        Is it really an exclusive or?

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      2. floopfloop‏ @floopflooped May 9
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        Dorime

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        A circular dependency

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