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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Roko Mijic‏ @RokoMijicUK May 8
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      Is it really easier to go 100,000,000 miles than to just persuade Australia to allow a charter city/charter city state in Western Australia that pays them tribute and has aligned interests? #Kangaroo_Mars

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    2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz May 8
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      Replying to @RokoMijicUK @murmosh

      You may not even have to do that. Why not move into an existing remote settlement in Australia, Siberia or Alaska where you can do what you want?

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    3. Roko Mijic‏ @RokoMijicUK May 8
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      It has to eventually be self-sufficient and self-sustaining to provide any benefit. If it cannot produce almost everything it needs, then it will go down with the rest of human civilization in almost all scenarios. So it needs to have about 1 million people.

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz May 8
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      Replying to @RokoMijicUK @murmosh

      Do you feel that keeping the political structure of a 1M city state on track for isolation from the world is substantially easier than influencing the political structure of an existing ~1M people state?

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    5. Roko Mijic‏ @RokoMijicUK May 8
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      Yes, I do. In addition, #Kangaroo_Mars would be physically much easier to isolate than many existing places.

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    6. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz May 8
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      Replying to @RokoMijicUK @murmosh

      The incentives seem to be all wrong. Why would a million 1st world citizens raise their children in an inhospitable desert without being allowed to import whatever they need, unless they are religious fanatics?

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    7. Roko Mijic‏ @RokoMijicUK May 8
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      Because some wealthy people would fund it to be not-inhospitable (ahem, @Elon !), because the political freedom could be leveraged to make it actually provide a higher standard of living than Western cities with outrageous rents, and because some people have a sense of adventure.

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    8. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz May 8
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      Replying to @RokoMijicUK @murmosh @elon

      Even if you could convince Bill Gates to give you 100Bn, you'd have 100K per person, which is by far not enough to build a first world city state from scratch. You could not even build Iceland (which heavily depends on imports).

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    9. Roko Mijic‏ @RokoMijicUK May 8
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      You would start with tens of thousands of people and $10bn and work up. The #Kangaroo_Mars colony wouldn't start as completely self-sustaining, just like the real Mars colony wouldn't start as self-sustaining. Initially a lot of labor and materials would have to flow in.

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    10. Roko Mijic‏ @RokoMijicUK May 8
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      You would make it profitable by selecting people on IQ. A country with an average IQ of 110 would probably have a big advantage. You would also need a coherent political philosophy though; without a unifying vision you would have a lot of trouble.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz May 8
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      Why would your children want to eat yeast with people with a 110 IQ in a bunker in the middle of nowhere if they could live in a city with a university, water view, good restaurants and an international airport in Switzerland or Norway?

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        1. Roko Mijic‏ @RokoMijicUK May 8
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          I think a prerequisite to this working is that you can get the basics of a civilization working quickly so that quality of life is great, better than in many places.

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