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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Simon DeDeo‏ @SimonDeDeo Apr 11
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      Simon DeDeo Retweeted Joshua Grochow

      Mathematicians are obviously angels, spilling out onto our land after their spaceship crashed.https://twitter.com/joshuagrochow/status/1249010998842765312?s=20 …

      Simon DeDeo added,

      Joshua Grochow @joshuagrochow
      Replying to @SimonDeDeo
      This feels mostly true, but maybe not absolutely so? I feel like many (pure) mathematicians are pretty willing to entertain a logical argument on almost any statement...
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    2. Simon DeDeo‏ @SimonDeDeo Apr 11
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      (More seriously, I think mathematicians come off pretty well—nobody tried to cancel us for that explosive proofs paper! There’s a kind of tragic humility to the ones I meet that I really love. Maybe they’re Cordelia!)

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    3. Simon DeDeo‏ @SimonDeDeo Apr 11
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      Simon DeDeo Retweeted Sarah Grynpas

      Yes! The analogy would be the people who say “we can’t be screwed up—they have taboos, but we don’t. Look at all the messed up things we do.”https://twitter.com/SarahGrynpas/status/1249061750793789442?s=20 …

      Simon DeDeo added,

      Sarah Grynpas @SarahGrynpas
      Replying to @SarahGrynpas @SimonDeDeo
      And then isn’t there a metapurpose to the taboo? Community, the feeling of having secret knowledge, of peeking behind the curtain, stays within your group. Believing the taboo can help adherence to achieve ideal behaviours, so its valuable to believe in a taboo that doesn’t exist
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    4. Simon DeDeo‏ @SimonDeDeo Apr 11
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      Simon DeDeo Retweeted Arbutus Tree

      Harvard University, 1996: "We're here on merit". Not true, untrue, or really anything in between—but it was something many people believed or thought, but weren't allowed to say. It was declassé.https://twitter.com/aphercotropist/status/1249088826221432834?s=20 …

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      Arbutus Tree @aphercotropist
      Replying to @SimonDeDeo
      Surely you can bring up examples from outside your context? Perhaps historical?
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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Apr 11
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      Replying to @SimonDeDeo

      I am pretty sure we can rustle up both statements of pride in Harvard meritocracy and statements that deeply question it, from within Harvard in 1996?

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    6. Simon DeDeo‏ @SimonDeDeo Apr 11
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      Yes, *but*—very group dependent. Obviously the anti-affirmative action people were very into the meritocracy. And the administration too, in a different way. My memory of the student left back then neither questioned nor affirmed it at that time (changes came quickly.)

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Apr 11
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      Replying to @SimonDeDeo

      Wrt your main point: did Harvard's internal culture effectively enforce the same totalitarianism as it does today [in public]? Or was Harvard a more liberal place in 1996? Your main thesis seems to be that a normative totalitarianism on political opinions is an immutable default.

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    8. Simon DeDeo‏ @SimonDeDeo Apr 11
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      Replying to @Plinz

      Eek! Joscha, this one-on-one psychoanalysis is rather off the mark. Obviously I miss our sessions, though—let's pick that all up in person?

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Apr 11
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      Replying to @SimonDeDeo

      Argh sorry I said a thing I was not supposed to say again :)

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Apr 11
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      I just meant to express that it appears to me that there is a kind of brilliant intellectual that in other times would have positioned themselves comfortably as a dissident instead of an audience pleaser. I think I have observed this quite a few times.

      3:06 PM - 11 Apr 2020
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        2. Simon DeDeo‏ @SimonDeDeo Apr 11
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          Replying to @Plinz

          Another rule of '96, possibly via Fukuyama: "You're not world-historical".

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        3. Simon DeDeo‏ @SimonDeDeo Apr 11
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          Simon DeDeo Retweeted Simon DeDeo

          (Hence this response.)https://twitter.com/SimonDeDeo/status/1249095052548354051?s=20 …

          Simon DeDeo added,

          Simon DeDeo @SimonDeDeo
          I wouldn't apply this story to totalitarianism. What Czeslaw Milosz describes in A Captive Mind is a very different thing, for example (alpha, beta, gamma; or the Greengrocer.) https://twitter.com/Plinz/status/1249094308289900545?s=20 …
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