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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Apr 10
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    If your ethical system is not compatible with the actual conditions of the physically realized universe, it violates a fundamental ethical axiom. You cannot behave ethically if you are allowed to lie to yourself.

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      2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Apr 11
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        I don't think that we are often offered a choice between multiple complete ethical systems that are visible to us. Subjectively we explore a space in which we are confronted with uncertainty about the consequences of our actions and the significance of our preferences.

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      2. Kevin Lacker‏ @lacker Apr 11
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        My ethical system permits me to lie to myself if it achieves a greater good

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Apr 11
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        How do you know it's a greater good if your ethics bot can hide an even greater good from you that requires to deceive you about how it works?

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      2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Apr 11
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        Every human being is born with the same innate potential

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        Most people just say "ought implies can" but ok.

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        what if it results in you and everyone you ever interact with being happier?

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      1. Robert E. P. Levy‏ @rplevy Apr 11
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        One problem is there is no unified person by default. We strive to approximate the illusion of unitary personal intention through reflective organization of scaffolding but really we are acting as many agents each with different knowledge and intention. Revealed by errors we make

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      1. Balaji Prasad‏ @BalajiPrasad_ Apr 11
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        It is possible to lie and be truthful at the same time. It is possible to be ethical and unethical at the same time, depending on how you slice or aggregate time. Is consistency a requirement in the human program? It works sometimes, it doesn't, sometimes. It blows in the wind.

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