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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Mar 29
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      assuming Congress continues to sit on its thumbs what do we do about /this/ ?

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    2. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Mar 29
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      like, I know that there are structural problems but those aren't going to matter if people are on the street and starving nine missed meals to anarchy

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    3. Wojtek (voy-tech)‏ @MostlyDev Mar 29
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      These are the costs that so many (looking at you @Plinz) dismiss as necessary. Everything is a trade off. The human cost of to this lockdown almost certainly isn’t worth the benefit.

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    4. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Mar 29
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      I think it's worth it the costs are not fixed, they can be ameliorated and I don't see people freaking out about this problem I assume because we're mostly unaffected on this front

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    5. Wojtek (voy-tech)‏ @MostlyDev Mar 29
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      Just wait. Money is a tool to measure mediated exchange. It doesn’t magically create the thing that’s exchanged. This will soon be very apparent.

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    6. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Mar 29
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      I know 🙃

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    7. Wojtek (voy-tech)‏ @MostlyDev Mar 29
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      So why use the word “ameliorated” when the correct phrase is “made worse”. The bailout do nothing except further shorten our ability to make sound decisions about the present and future of work. ... and make everything unaffordable for those without savings.

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    8. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot Mar 29
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      I'm concerned about - short term issues around making rent - short term issues around necessities I know there are deeper supply issues that will become more prominent over time and this is not sustainable indefinitely, and that the second derivative to costs is positive :/

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Mar 29
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      What may happen is that capitalism is effectively suspended for a few months, and replaced by a planned economy, in which basic necessities are being produced and distributed with disregard for the normal paradigm of money as debt.

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    10. Wojtek (voy-tech)‏ @MostlyDev Mar 29
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      We only exchange the product of our own labour for the product of the labour of others. Money is just a measuring stick. The notion that you can "suspend" the spontaneous time-and-place exchange decisions of billions of individuals make no sense.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Mar 30
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      How do I explain this to a libertarian? There is no physical law that forces us to be organized by markets. We only do that because it autoregulates supply, demand and innovation to some degree. You can also operate like an army, with centralized planning, control and allocation.

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        2. Scott Hamilton‏ @DoqxaScott Mar 30
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          You say, as you know a planned economy is less efficient than a free market economy and there are risks with imperfect information, yet such a mode of production and distribution is physically possible, ...

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        3. Scott Hamilton‏ @DoqxaScott Mar 30
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          and perhaps desirable if we choose to value protecting life and trust in our health care systems (and perhaps civil society) during a pandemic of this nature.

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        2. Wojtek (voy-tech)‏ @MostlyDev Mar 30
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          Every organization is a market -- whether you choose to call it that or not. The market you're suggesting, a command economy, is one where in addition to trading the produce of their efforts, people are also randomly assigned the privilege to trade power.

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        3. Wojtek (voy-tech)‏ @MostlyDev Mar 30
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          You think a formalized Trumpian command economy is better than the ad-hoc status quo? If you think an alternative will be better then you have to explain why current commands are different -- or where you'll find the omnipotent agents to replace the current crop of buffoons.

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