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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Mar 6
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      China is not best understood as a communist country, or as fascist. China is modernist. Many western countries were modernist between 1920 and 1960. Now they are postmodernist. Modernists believe that sociology is a field of engineering, postmodernists think it's a moral opinion.

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      Fascism, imperialism, communism were results of modernist ideas: society has to be constructed, and making an omelet requires breaking eggs. Postmodernist societies don't construct, but mitigate and manage existing constructs. Instead of paradigmatic thought, they prefer methods.

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Mar 6
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      Arguably, it's much safer to live in a society that has its modernist phase well behind it. But in the pandemic response, we will also observe and compare the different ways in which modernist and postmodernist societies deal with existential threats.

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      Is a postmodernist society able to lock down a city? Can it create hospitals in a few days? Can it quickly produce lots of ventilators, CT scanners, protective equipment? Can it train nurses? Can it lift regulations where they get in the way? Or is it just playing theatre?

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        2. robc‏ @perceptnet Mar 7
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          a core aspect of postmodernism is to recognize the importance of theater. PM societies lock down cities by hacking public opinion. in this case by creating the image of hospitals, etc, or more simply by engineering & circulating beliefs which misrepresent demand for these things

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          Most opinion spreaders in PM societies do not believe in the relevance of ground truth, but are caught in the collective trance of consensus reality. If that trance breaks, terrible things can happen, because individuals will be unprepared and feel betrayed by the collective.

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        1. Deutscher Skatverband im Untergrund‏ @stralauinBerlin Mar 7
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          Interesting. I guess for postmodernist societies it all depends on the state of the public infrastructure, i.e., Switzerland might be able to react much better than Germany because they haven’t been ruining their infrastructure.

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        1. E.‏ @donnelltello Mar 8
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          The "postmodernist" societies spent the last 40 years moving their production to China, so they can't make anything, and are paralyzed by the neoliberal ideology that "the state can't do anything." In China they know that the state can do things that the market can't or won't.

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          Can it commandeer hospitals from corporate control that only sees a huge revenue stream as long as they can control personnel costs?

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          This is ironic because trying to prevent a pandemic is dangerous for exactly the same reasons that trying to design society is dangerous. The end result of coddling everyone's immune system will be mass deaths. Same with California forest fires due to overaggressive firefighting.

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          Why do you think post- vs. modernist is a better (or more fundamental) mental model for explaining the differences than (non-)authoritarian, or (non-)conformist, or individualistic vs collectivistic?

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