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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Dr Anne Cregan‏ @AnneCregan Feb 15
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      Yes. This is a basic principle for interoperability between models - eg Linnaeans vs cladists in biological taxonomy - both are valid, but they use different dimensions for classification. Go a level higher to gain perspective on how they each divide the same space & interrelate.

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    2. Dr Anne Cregan‏ @AnneCregan Feb 15
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      Of course there are other reasons for disagreement too: invalid facts used as a basis, inconsistency and invalid reasoning, and incompatibility of core values. The first two can be corrected. The last one is just a core incompatibility - each is genuinely wanting to do ‘right’.

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Feb 15
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      Values are not terminal either.

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    4. Dr Anne Cregan‏ @AnneCregan Feb 15
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      What do you mean?

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Feb 15
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      If we disagree on core values, there must be reasons to insist on them.

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    6. Dr Anne Cregan‏ @AnneCregan Feb 15
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      If they are really the core values of one’s soul, then no, it is just what one intrinsically values. Everything else is just a means to those ends, one way or another. Think about it, what are the ‘reasons to insist on them’? Where does it bottom out and you can go no further?

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Feb 15
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      You can go all the way, but it means that there will be nothing left to insist on, of course.

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    8. Dr Anne Cregan‏ @AnneCregan Feb 15
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      No, I disagree. Try it - take an argument you care about and work it backwards by asking yourself ‘why do I want that?’ If the answer is ‘because x, y, z’, keep going with x, y and z. Tell me where you end up. Eventually it gets to ‘I just do’. That’s a core value for you :-)

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Feb 15
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      Hm, my experience differs! When I am not lucid, I lack attention to go deep enough, but when I am I can identify the construction of the aesthetics that informs my preferences, and the generators for such constructions need only information theoretically constrained assumptions.

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    10. Dr Anne Cregan‏ @AnneCregan Feb 16
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      Let’s go concrete to get to the bottom of this then. My number one intrinsic value is ‘Love’ - I call it my compass. Why do I find it of value? I just do. The query bottoms out and I can go no further. Many other things like respect, compassion etc are a means to that ends.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Feb 16
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      Ah, that implies you cannot see how you construct love?

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