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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Sarah Constantin‏ @s_r_constantin Feb 7
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      Potential downsides of understanding people’s motivations to do “bad” things (however you define “bad”):

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    2. Sarah Constantin‏ @s_r_constantin Feb 7
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      You could become cynical/misanthropic as you see how many people have these “low motives” and this could damage your ability to relate to people

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    3. Sarah Constantin‏ @s_r_constantin Feb 7
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      You could become extremely guilty as you realize how many “low motives” you yourself possess

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    4. Sarah Constantin‏ @s_r_constantin Feb 7
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      You could become less willing to oppose bad behavior because you find it easier to empathize with

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    5. Sarah Constantin‏ @s_r_constantin Feb 7
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      You could become trapped in “low motives” or dysfunctional mindsets yourself, as a result of spending too much attention on modeling them in others

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    6. Sarah Constantin‏ @s_r_constantin Feb 7
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      I think these potential downsides are actually real and people who fear them have a point. I’d love to hear the case for these fears being unrealistic or surmountable.

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    7. ozy brennan  🦙‏ @ozyfrantz Feb 7
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      I find that a lot of times when people do to-me-incomprehensibly bad things their motivations aren't necessarily "low"!

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    8. Sarah Constantin‏ @s_r_constantin Feb 7
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      Ooh that’s a good one. Big if true.

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    9. ozy brennan  🦙‏ @ozyfrantz Feb 7
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      I mean, it makes sense, right. The members of any sufficiently large group of people are not going to be that far off Median Human Badness (although certainly there are groups that are worse/better than average). So any group is going to have lots of people w/ noble motivations.

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    10. Sarah Constantin‏ @s_r_constantin Feb 7
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      Replying to @ozyfrantz

      But what if actual Median Human Nature is much much worse than Narrative Human Nature (the way characters in stories behave, or folk theories of psychology)? ie most of us are much worse than we think “people” typically are?

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Feb 8
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      I think that people are about as good as the ones in Grimm‘s tales or Dostoyevski‘s or Kundera‘s novels. Many act on what they perceive as their immediate incentives while being myopic, but amazingly, substantial chunks of civilization endure and prevail.

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