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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Anders Sandberg‏ @anderssandberg Feb 3
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      Do we know how to go about the study needed? Is there a straightforward idea of how one could find out relatively firmly what is needed, or would it be "put X engineers together for Y weeks and hope they sort it out?" Seems worth knowing.

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    2. T. Marshall Eubanks‏ @TM_Eubanks Feb 3
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      Replying to @anderssandberg @DrPhiltill and

      Engineers are not whom I would pick to establish an ecology.

      3 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
    3. Beyond NERVA‏ @BeyondNerva Feb 3
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      Replying to @TM_Eubanks @anderssandberg and

      Heartily agreed. My spouse is a wildlife biologist, specializing in multispecies occupancy modeling, with over 10 years of field experience, they've taught me quite a few things on the failings of engineering and technician thought on ecosystems.

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    4. Luke Parrish‏ @lsparrish Feb 3
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      Replying to @BeyondNerva @TM_Eubanks and

      Lol we're talking about machines, not plants... Well, not *that* kind of plant. I think of it as more am economics/engineering hybrid discipline.

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    5. T. Marshall Eubanks‏ @TM_Eubanks Feb 3
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      Replying to @lsparrish @BeyondNerva and

      You will not keep people alive for a reasonable amount of time, say a thousand years, in space by talking just about machines, and that was the conversation I was having.

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    6. Luke Parrish‏ @lsparrish Feb 3
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      Replying to @TM_Eubanks @BeyondNerva and

      Hate to break it to you but you've completely misjudged the topic of interest here. This isn't really about mine shaft type survival scenarios, it's more along the lines of what you have to accomplish to make a Dyson sphere. Self replicating robots, essentially.

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    7. Robotbeat 🗽 🖖🏾‏ @Robotbeat Feb 3
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      Replying to @lsparrish @TM_Eubanks and

      Such systems can self-replicate if you include humans as part of the system.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    8. Luke Parrish‏ @lsparrish Feb 3
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      Replying to @Robotbeat @TM_Eubanks and

      Yeah, and that gives us some proof of principle. Industrial economy/ecology is sort of like a life form that depends on symbiotes (humans). But it's evolving (with human aid) into a less dependent form. A fully independent form would be ideal for big projects in space...

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    9. T. Marshall Eubanks‏ @TM_Eubanks Feb 3
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      Replying to @lsparrish @Robotbeat and

      I have long wondered if silicon life requires carbon based life as a starter.

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    10. Anders Sandberg‏ @anderssandberg Feb 4
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      Replying to @TM_Eubanks @lsparrish and

      I think this is true. Carbon life may be far easier to get in natural environments, causing other kinds. Life and intelligence as phase transformations of matter may be not just an analogy but a correct physical description.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Feb 4
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      Replying to @anderssandberg @TM_Eubanks and

      I wonder if cellular life may require an anorganic intelligence as a starter. Abiogenesis seems so damn improbable, even when compared to the formation of intelligent complexity in the clouds of a gas giant or so.

      12:30 AM - 4 Feb 2020
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        2. Max Nighswander  🚀 ⏭ 🤖 🐙‏ @MaxNighswander Feb 4
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          Replying to @Plinz @anderssandberg and

          I kinda wonder if the real explanation for the Fermi Paradox is that abiogenesis is improbable enough that it only occurs in a small percentage of habitable universes.

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        3. Anders Sandberg‏ @anderssandberg Feb 4
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          Replying to @MaxNighswander @Plinz and

          Yes, that is what I tend to think too. But it could also be difficult to evolve but easy to find coding systems. https://arxiv.org/abs/1806.02404 

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        2. Anders Sandberg‏ @anderssandberg Feb 4
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          Replying to @Plinz @TM_Eubanks and

          There is some most probable form of abiogenesis, and it is likely orders of magnitude more common than the second one. There may also be more or less likely steps of code/basis switching. One should look for likely "easy" early steps: https://arxiv.org/abs/1807.07065 

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        3. Anders Sandberg‏ @anderssandberg Feb 4
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          Replying to @anderssandberg @Plinz and

          Might be that there are many dead end coding systems that are very common ("b-life"), and a few like ours ("a-life") that evolves well but are rare. Intelligence might be A*-life that evolves radically, and triggers appearance of new kinds.

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