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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Jan 24
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      The simulation running in our brain does not have somehow a window to the outside world. What we perceive as the outside world is the simulation. The relationship between mind and substrate is the same as between hardware and software.

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    2. pennybun01‏ @pennybun01 Jan 24
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      Hmm. Unless you think how each gets its electrons makes a difference, with some novel sampled & conserved husbandry in one that defies computation because it adds no thermodynamic burden ☀️

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Jan 24
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      Software is a description of the world as a causally closed system of macrostates. But the only thing that is truly causally closed are the bottom level microstates of the universe. The evil force that inevitably encroaches on our neat macrostate description is entropy.

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    4. pennybun01‏ @pennybun01 Jan 24
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      What closes the system? ☀️

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Jan 24
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      The model constraint

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    6. pennybun01‏ @pennybun01 Jan 24
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      Right. And life games nature’s, in my view. It is ridiculously hard to sustain.

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Jan 24
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      Life is just a layer of complexity of nature. It’s ridiculously hard to extinguish.

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    8. pennybun01‏ @pennybun01 Jan 24
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      You do not consider all the also-rans & overwhelming non-life of nature :) My view is that life is in no way just a layer of complexity. It *unnaturally* sustains natural processes that keep it continuously separated from the surroundings through complete dependence on them.

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    9. dwelle‏ @dluzar Jan 24
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      It can't be that hard to sustain, otherwise it'd have disappeared long time ago (anthropic principle notwithstanding). The emergence of life seems to be a rule rather than an exception. A phase during the progression of universe from low-entropy to maximum-entropy.

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    10. dwelle‏ @dluzar Jan 24
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      Interesting is that both the start and end state of the universe is low-complexity. And the transition allows for pocket of high-complexity and emergence of life.

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      The ‘start state’ is just a point where there is no correlation between locations, so there can be no pattern. It’s like the convergence point in a moiree

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        2. dwelle‏ @dluzar Jan 24
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          Yea, AFAIK we don't really know what was at the very start. But it seems that closely after it was at minimum entropy, and it evolves from there to a thermo equilibrium of maximum entropy.

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        3. pennybun01‏ @pennybun01 Jan 24
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          If the entropy always increases, that seems the logical hypothesis.

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        1. pennybun01‏ @pennybun01 Jan 24
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          I’d bet it starts the same way anything seems to, with some instability looking for a a better configuration. For our purposes, the instability seems an asymmetry of matter ☀️

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