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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Clarity‏ @SurviveThrive2 Jan 15
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      An AI with 1. capacity to create accurate complex models of self and the environment 2. find exploits in those models for goal directed responses 3. has the capability to adaptively alter the environment and self... will likely produce an AI that seeks self survival. What then?

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    2. Joanna J Bryson‏ @j2bryson Jan 16
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      I'm not worried about achieving that without ongoing human participation, I *am* worried we've already achieved that & it's part of the climate / sustainability crisis https://joanna-bryson.blogspot.com/2013/12/the-intelligence-explosion-started.html …

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    3. Clarity‏ @SurviveThrive2 Jan 16
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      1/3 Great blog post! The advancement of intelligence, more efficiently thriving, is inevitable I’m trying to convince people that consciousness and conscious functioning is a system functioning for self survival. Because, if we can show that...

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    4. Clarity‏ @SurviveThrive2 Jan 16
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      2/3 ... ants are self survival systems plus signaling results in colony survival, and cells are self survival systems plus signaling results in a complex self survival system called a human....

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    5. Clarity‏ @SurviveThrive2 Jan 16
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      3/3 then we can figure out how to improve signaling and group communication, for collective human system functioning. This can improve intelligence and our rate of adaptation optimization. Which means we can move faster and more intelligently to identify and fix errors.

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    6. Joanna J Bryson‏ @j2bryson Jan 16
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      Yes I agree — you might like this part of my research then, though as written here it’s overly anthropocentric http://www.cs.bath.ac.uk/~jjb/culturalvariation/ …

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    7. Clarity‏ @SurviveThrive2 Jan 16
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      Excellent study and analysis! Although the emotional economy or granting and harvesting the greatest emotional payoff for the least effort bears mentioning. Emotional fraud or posing as altruistic though no good has actually been done is a growing and destructive social error.

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    8. Joanna J Bryson‏ @j2bryson Jan 16
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      Yeah, I also do work on emotions, but I haven’t folded it in here. Science likes things as simple as possible. Emotions certainly add latency/momentum /social coherence, but it’s amazing how fast they CAN sometimes turn, esp. with crowds. Thanks for reminding me to think of them!

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    9. Joanna J Bryson‏ @j2bryson Jan 16
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      See particularly the durative state paper http://www.cs.bath.ac.uk/~jjb/web/ai.html#emot … note also “role for consciousness “ nearby, tho I don’t think it’s much related to your usage of the term

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    10. Clarity‏ @SurviveThrive2 Jan 16
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      I think we had this chat. 'Attention' is what is usually referred to as consciousness, but I'd argue 'attention' is just data and only becomes consciousness (elicits a response) when the data is evaluated for relevance to self. Consciousness is analyzing data for self relevance.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Jan 16
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      I think that you make an important point but that is usually included in what we mean by attention. (Arguably, the concept of attention eg in the Transformer as tracking identity is much more impoverished than that.)

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        2. Clarity‏ @SurviveThrive2 Jan 16
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          Yes, attention as data analyzed for self relevance is usually implied, but the realization that all naturally occurring systems are essentially self survival systems from cells all the way up to collective human group functioning seems to get lost along the way.

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        3. Clarity‏ @SurviveThrive2 Jan 16
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          The implication for AI and rights for robots is a similar collection of sensors, complexity of processes and responses would result in similar self survival behaviors. Attention is simply a by product of this functioning. It is the majority signal being processed.

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