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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Jan 12
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      Replying to @jradl3y @nr1woman @jingle__belle

      I am not sure what you mean by bias. The presently popular normie cult uses the term as newspeak for the difference between public and private opinion. Bias can also be a systematic distortion of the world model from the truth, or it can simply mean preference.

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    2. Jessica‏ @jradl3y Jan 12
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      Cordelia’s reply: “You mean your own emotions are making you biased” Implicit assumptions in here include: 1) emotions are a problem 2) being biased is bad I’m drawing a conclusion here that there is a value for being correct, which translates to logical

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    3. Jessica‏ @jradl3y Jan 12
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      And underlying this is a belief I think that there is such a thing as a comprehensively correct truth that both really exists in the world and can be adequately understood, and furthermore people should strive for it and are failing

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Jan 12
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      The comprehensively correct truth is just the global optimum of the modeling function. Without aiming for it, your modeling is bound to go wrong.

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    5. Jessica‏ @jradl3y Jan 12
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      Replying to @Plinz @nr1woman @jingle__belle

      This is a good trajectory to be on, but it fails socially if you start to believe you definitely really have the correct truth

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    6. Jessica‏ @jradl3y Jan 12
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      Where by fails I mean it forces either conversion or conflict

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Jan 12
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      Replying to @jradl3y @nr1woman @jingle__belle

      If you understand the truth of a matter and others are strongly incentivized to not accept it, why does it logically follow that you need to convince them or be in conflict?

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    8. Jessica‏ @jradl3y Jan 12
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      Replying to @Plinz @nr1woman @jingle__belle

      Not necessarily always, but on everything that matters in that it requires coordination or shared resource allocation

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Jan 12
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      Exactly! If professed beliefs are used for coordination and resource allocation of groups, it is crucial to profess the right beliefs, not necessarily the logically correct ones. How else would your group know you are not part of a competing group that just uses the same logic?

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    10. Jessica‏ @jradl3y Jan 12
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      Replying to @Plinz @nr1woman @jingle__belle

      I have to admit, I find a fully logical person with power to be a terrifying concept. I think that logic will utterly fail to meet human needs in the absence of emotional awareness

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Jan 12
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      Yes, from time to time you end up with a Ghengis Khan or Jeff Bezos, for better or worse

      12:48 PM - 12 Jan 2020
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        1.  🦋 Cornelia Oldekamp‏ @nr1woman Jan 12
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          Yes but first we were cavemen pissing on trees to spread our territory ,until logic made us use bathrooms ;)

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