Jean Tardy points at the difference between technical design (outside-in) and 'existential design' (inside-out). The former assumes a fully structured universe that imposes functional structure on a piece of raw material, the latter a seed that conquers the outside chaos.
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Replying to @Plinz @IntuitMachine
Not sure I follow what a 'fully structured universe' is, but yeah, I begin and end with implementable systems. I get antsy playing with cognitive concepts unless I can at least somewhat explicitly imagine how I'd implement them.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBZBQSBdcwY&t=100 …
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Replying to @livcomp @IntuitMachine
When we engineer a system, we start with a deterministic substrate and a deterministic set of tools that we use to manipulate the substrate to add a function that interfaces with the existing ones. Living systems must carry all structure into the environment by themselves.
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Replying to @Plinz @IntuitMachine
I engineer without determinism all day long.
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Can you expound a bit more on this? How do you handle non-determinism and still be able to implement something?
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Replying to @IntuitMachine @livcomp
He calls it 'best effort computing':https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4flQ8XdvJM …
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I was hoping he would explain it with his current self.
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Replying to @IntuitMachine @Plinz
That video still holds up. Also perhaps the AAAI Q&A, with like: Q: But if determinism fails, doesn’t that mean chaos? A: [Not at all. When we shift to] best-effort hardware, software becomes obligated to look beyond efficiency and embrace robustness.. https://www.aaai.org/ocs/index.php/AAAI/AAAI16/paper/view/11987 …
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Replying to @livcomp @IntuitMachine
I felt that the lack of efficiency is the flaw of your handcrafted tinkering. Evolution will optimize for *both* robustness and efficiency.
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Biology creates Rube Golberg like mechanisms. Gratuitous complexity rules. It's not efficiency it seeks but rather fitness.
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No, all biological complexity provides additional efficiency
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The laryngeal nerve of giraffes is an example of complexity without additional efficiency, in this case it is even at the expanse of efficiency. And there are more instances like this in nature. But I get your point.
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