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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Jim Rutt‏ @jim_rutt Jan 2
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      "[business partnerships] so it's of the same kind as the supreme being, unlike, for instance, a mermaid, which can speak but doesn't have a soul." dude, what kind of drugs are you doing today? Some weird-ass shit!

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    2. Ben Hoffman‏ @ben_r_hoffman Jan 2
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      What sort of thing, precisely, do you think a god *is*, and why?

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    3. Jim Rutt‏ @jim_rutt Jan 2
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      An entity with some supernatural powers. The usual suspects: Thor, Zeus, Yahweh, Quetzalcoatl.

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Jan 2
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      Yes, that part cannot possibly be true, and exists due to mythology designed to implant god enabling software with full write access on people's brains. Gods can edit mental content of the faithful, but the powers of gods manifest only via synchronizing the behavior of people.

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    5.  😏‏ @makc3d Jan 2
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      non-believer arent you. seems like the god you speak of is only one of the dreams the humanity is watching

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    6. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Jan 2
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      the true dreams of gods are not dreamt by human minds, but often on human brains

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    7. Jim Rutt‏ @jim_rutt Jan 3
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      Sounds something like culture. What is the point if overloading the symbol “God”? Still strikes me as unnecessarily confusing.

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    8. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Jan 3
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      Replying to @jim_rutt @makc3d and

      A god is a particular mode of cultural organization. For instance, in the new StarWars movie, Palpatine is displayed as a godless rationalist, expecting Rey to arrive at the same rational conclusions; Rey is a pious (and confused) believer in the god she shares with her friends.

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Jan 3
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      When Rey is offered full control of the empire (including the opportunity to end the war, bring the Rebellion into government, redesign the empire), she rejects it, because she prefers serving her group god over autonomous self directed agency.

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    10. Jim Rutt‏ @jim_rutt Jan 3
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      I get you have decided to rename human cooperation as "God". I just haven't a clue why anybody would want to do that. "Gods" in the more conventional sense have mostly been oppressors and limiters of life's potential. A bad brand to co-opt. Like calling sushi "cold dead fish"

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Jan 3
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      I am not asking you to give up your preference for autonomous agency. (Peterson is.) But gods are possibly not quite what you (and me until recently) imagine them to be. Perhaps we should discuss this in a podcast one day.

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        2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Jan 3
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          God is a mode of cooperation that privileges the interests of the platonic form of the group as an intentional agent over individual moral autonomy. When you cooperate, it’s *your* autonomous decision. A religious person loses their identity if they become autonomous.

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        3. Ben Hoffman‏ @ben_r_hoffman Jan 3
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          This seems implicitly monotheistic and I expect it to lose a lot of descriptive power if you try to apply it to polytheistic systems - see here (h/t @alyssamvance) for details:https://acoup.blog/2019/10/25/collections-practical-polytheism-part-i-knowledge/ …

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