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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 29 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @Plinz @jim_rutt @HiFromMichaelV

      Nihilism seems to be a kind of suffering, caused by the fundamental absence of a way to realize one's meaning, and the inability to stop caring. It usually happens when you prove that God does not exist, but don't give up your need for God's existence.

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    2. Jim Rutt‏ @jim_rutt 30 Dec 2019
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      When I say that I am a nihilist I mean that I reject any universalist claims about values or meaning. My view is that it is up to each grouping of humans to select their values and meaning to live by. Values systems that work are constrained by reality, including human nature.

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    3. Jim Rutt‏ @jim_rutt 30 Dec 2019
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      To my mind, such nihilism is incredibly empowering: WE can and must craft our own social operating system. No exogenous voodoo.

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 30 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @jim_rutt @HiFromMichaelV

      I know that you think that! Yet you and me are bound by more innate rules than those that we managed to rationally reverse engineer at the moment (we can do so as we become older and wiser). If the structure of shared meaning becomes intentional, we traditionally call it God.

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 30 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @Plinz @jim_rutt @HiFromMichaelV

      It is a disaster that our religions obfuscated God with mythology. The specification of the superorganism follows from game theory, cybernetics and our ecology. It is the platonic form of an enduring civilization.

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    6. Jim Rutt‏ @jim_rutt 31 Dec 2019
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      I'm not much on Platonic Forms arguments for God. Strikes me as no better than the Ontological Argument. Why is a God needed for an enduring civilization? It's a challenge but no obvious reason that it is impossible at least if we define enduring reasonably, say 500 years.

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 31 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @jim_rutt @HiFromMichaelV

      Large parts of the Christian cult market have told us that God is an external entity, and somehow involved into universe creation, talkative burning bushes and major weather events. Instead, God is an organization we can choose to be part of.

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    8. Jim Rutt‏ @jim_rutt 31 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @Plinz @HiFromMichaelV

      Could you unpack that God a bit?

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 31 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @jim_rutt @HiFromMichaelV

      A civilization can be thought of as a scalable and growth oriented imperial machine that people submit to, which was the modernist project. Or it is an intentional organism formed of sentient cells. God as the soul of a civilization, an emergent software.

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    10. Jim Rutt‏ @jim_rutt 31 Dec 2019
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      I’m with you until you insert “god” what does that add to the telling.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 31 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @jim_rutt @HiFromMichaelV

      The concept has been growing on me quite recently. I think that a God is basically a sentient culture, a superorganism, which requires conscious coordination and maintenance. That is different from a machine society, or from a cult, or a tribe.

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        2. Jim Rutt‏ @jim_rutt Jan 1
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          how about a consciously self-modifying complex society ?That seems to me What Comes Next. And I still don't see any Gods there.

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz Jan 1
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          Replying to @jim_rutt @HiFromMichaelV

          A God is simply a self spanning multiple brains. Gods are not more real than selves, but they are hard to replace. I perceive even Chomsky as religious in this sense.

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