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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 29 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @jim_rutt @HiFromMichaelV

      A lot of people seem to think that you can manifest an arbitrary aesthetics (i.e. way the world works) using arbitrary values, or that the most desirable world will form based on acting on the values they have. Both positions are wrong. Values are fully constrained by aesthetics.

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    2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 29 Dec 2019
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      If we agree on specifications, for instance maintaining ecological complexity, or building the most lucid civilization, or playing the longest games, our aesthetics may converge, and our values are not going to be arbitrary.

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 29 Dec 2019
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      You are free to drop your identifications with maintaining any system (ego, relationships, group, nation, species, God, life, consciousness, complexity), which also makes you free to drop all your values and reach Nirvana. There is nothing you have to do if you stop caring.

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 29 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @Plinz @jim_rutt @HiFromMichaelV

      Nihilism seems to be a kind of suffering, caused by the fundamental absence of a way to realize one's meaning, and the inability to stop caring. It usually happens when you prove that God does not exist, but don't give up your need for God's existence.

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    5. Jim Rutt‏ @jim_rutt 30 Dec 2019
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      When I say that I am a nihilist I mean that I reject any universalist claims about values or meaning. My view is that it is up to each grouping of humans to select their values and meaning to live by. Values systems that work are constrained by reality, including human nature.

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    6. Jim Rutt‏ @jim_rutt 30 Dec 2019
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      To my mind, such nihilism is incredibly empowering: WE can and must craft our own social operating system. No exogenous voodoo.

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 30 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @jim_rutt @HiFromMichaelV

      I know that you think that! Yet you and me are bound by more innate rules than those that we managed to rationally reverse engineer at the moment (we can do so as we become older and wiser). If the structure of shared meaning becomes intentional, we traditionally call it God.

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    8. someone‏ @Saigarich 30 Dec 2019
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      Agree, but you said nihilism happens when proving that God does not exist, ergo it's lack of this understanding.

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      Nihilism is a state of suffering, caused by an existential prior, and a defect of the rationality that lets us not account for this prior.

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      Yes, but it requires to accurately account for the causal structure, content and reason of our feelings.

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