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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. michael vassar‏ @HiFromMichaelV 29 Dec 2019
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      michael vassar Retweeted Jim Rutt

      Harari is simply asserting that Whig History is tire and is powered by Nihilism, without trying to make it plausible that this could be the case. This appeals to nihilists and Whigs, which more or less corresponds to appealing to complacency with the appearance of power.https://twitter.com/jim_rutt/status/1211299043713933312 …

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      Jim Rutt @jim_rutt
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      Hanzi is certainly all over the place, and I’ve yet to conclude my overall view, but a good and rich source of piece parts in one uses discernment. Harari a fraud? How?
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    2. Jim Rutt‏ @jim_rutt 29 Dec 2019
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      Philosophical nihilism strikes me as true. Which means homo sap has control of its own values and meaning. Whig history - which might also be called naive Enlightenment thinking seems on trend within what we call GameA. Harari is clearly a late-GameA amerlorist thinker.

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 29 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @jim_rutt @HiFromMichaelV

      A lot of people seem to think that you can manifest an arbitrary aesthetics (i.e. way the world works) using arbitrary values, or that the most desirable world will form based on acting on the values they have. Both positions are wrong. Values are fully constrained by aesthetics.

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 29 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @Plinz @jim_rutt @HiFromMichaelV

      If we agree on specifications, for instance maintaining ecological complexity, or building the most lucid civilization, or playing the longest games, our aesthetics may converge, and our values are not going to be arbitrary.

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 29 Dec 2019
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      You are free to drop your identifications with maintaining any system (ego, relationships, group, nation, species, God, life, consciousness, complexity), which also makes you free to drop all your values and reach Nirvana. There is nothing you have to do if you stop caring.

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    6. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 29 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @Plinz @jim_rutt @HiFromMichaelV

      Nihilism seems to be a kind of suffering, caused by the fundamental absence of a way to realize one's meaning, and the inability to stop caring. It usually happens when you prove that God does not exist, but don't give up your need for God's existence.

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    7. Jim Rutt‏ @jim_rutt 30 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @Plinz @HiFromMichaelV

      When I say that I am a nihilist I mean that I reject any universalist claims about values or meaning. My view is that it is up to each grouping of humans to select their values and meaning to live by. Values systems that work are constrained by reality, including human nature.

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    8. Jim Rutt‏ @jim_rutt 30 Dec 2019
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      To my mind, such nihilism is incredibly empowering: WE can and must craft our own social operating system. No exogenous voodoo.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 30 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @jim_rutt @HiFromMichaelV

      I know that you think that! Yet you and me are bound by more innate rules than those that we managed to rationally reverse engineer at the moment (we can do so as we become older and wiser). If the structure of shared meaning becomes intentional, we traditionally call it God.

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        2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 30 Dec 2019
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          It is a disaster that our religions obfuscated God with mythology. The specification of the superorganism follows from game theory, cybernetics and our ecology. It is the platonic form of an enduring civilization.

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        3. Jim Rutt‏ @jim_rutt 31 Dec 2019
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          I'm not much on Platonic Forms arguments for God. Strikes me as no better than the Ontological Argument. Why is a God needed for an enduring civilization? It's a challenge but no obvious reason that it is impossible at least if we define enduring reasonably, say 500 years.

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        2. someone‏ @Saigarich 30 Dec 2019
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          Agree, but you said nihilism happens when proving that God does not exist, ergo it's lack of this understanding.

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 30 Dec 2019
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          Nihilism is a state of suffering, caused by an existential prior, and a defect of the rationality that lets us not account for this prior.

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