Basically every job where you would instantly quit and become a surfer if you won a million dollars in the lottery.
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Replying to @Plinz
It would be interesting to explore the boundary of that set, and what ideological and material conditions moves the boundary this way or that.
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Replying to @wolftivy
I think that you may be trying to build a society on fully shared purpose, which I applaud, but it may not be possible in practice.
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Replying to @Plinz
Obviously no perfection is possible in practice, and you need deep mechanisms for handling exceptions. But I think it's important to define the ideal vs the exception, and have our social narratives track towards idealism within structural constraints.
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Replying to @wolftivy
But even if you can turn garbage collection and abattoirs into places of altruistic worship, what do you do with those that discover that it is to their advantage to defect from the ideal social contract?
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Replying to @Plinz
Change the incentives so that it's not to their advantage to defect. Punish and oppress defectors, make sure cooperators are getting the budget and respect that they deserve. Same thing we always do. My point is to just *also* have a positive narrative for roles in society.
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Further, I claim that good people which is most people are motivated more by the positive narrative than the negative. They avoid the negative, and exploit the incentives, but they need positive narrative to really motivate.
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Beyond poverty, monetary incentives themselves have to be understood as an indirect positive narrative. You want the money *for* something which goes beyond money. Some purpose which you see yourself fulfilling, for which you need money.
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Replying to @wolftivy
Narratives are just stories. Only humanities majors will believe that they believe in narratives :)
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Replying to @Plinz
As an engineer with hobby interest in humanities, I see narratives as our programming. People act within their own story, the concepts of which are largely supplied by society. We can study the structure of society, and overall narrative of society, to provide better narratives.
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What about rejecting all external programming and narrative, i.e. scripted policy models, and build a model based on the actual expected long range consequences of your actions? This model is going to be mostly perceptual, not narrativist, because the world is too complex.
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Replying to @Plinz
Such an internal plan would itself ultimately be a narrative about what is going to happen and why you want your actions to be some way. More pressingly, the logistical undertaking of rebuilding your concepts from the ground up without outside help is beyond one's capacity.
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I think actually as one gets access to more concepts and alternative narratives, one approaches the ideal of the internally-generated plan correlated only with your actual strategic incentives, not with social propaganda.
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