Ok. In Abramic religion, God is the representation of the superorganism (~state) that emerges over the coordinated interaction of the faithful. God is a harsh monster that does not care if the individual gets squished in its service. Jesus represents the injection of humanism.
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Replying to @Plinz
But Abramic religions are built on a foundation of falsehood, so by simply ignoring that representation of a harsh god we have no need for the compassionate Christ. Therefore are we better off not celebrating the modern non religious version of xmas? We can find compassion in e/o
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No, they are not built on falsehood. The mythology has the correct shape, ie its models are isomorphic to the desired specification of coordination in a stable agrarian society. Is only false if you require peasants to understand cosmology, which you don’t.
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Replying to @Plinz
OK, the books might have been a good manual for that civilization, but we are no longer an agrarian society so it is false from a modern perspective. So I am failing to understand how following xmas in 2019 would be a healthy spiritual experience?
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When we lost religion, we realized that rationalism is fascist and cannot carry us. We became romantic, which means we replaced God with Love, but the ship falls apart. The question of how to solve the crisis of meaning without bringing back religion is still unresolved.
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Yes. Humanism does not follow from rationalism.
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Replying to @Plinz @HarryBr55145341
You consider the moral valences of well-being and suffering to be outside the ability of rationalism to describe, capture, take-account-of ?
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If you are under threat from the outside (such as entropy or Stalin), forcing you to optimize for efficiency, in a rational sense, the moral valence of pain is equal to its effect on the performance of the greater whole. Humanism needs additional axioms.
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Rationalism used to be the intellectual framework of the Enlightenment, but it succumbed to romantic humanism, fascism and its postmodern intermediaries. Today, Rationalism means both a rapidly disintegrating self help group for autistic children, and the theosophy of that group.
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