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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 27 Nov 2019
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    The progression of the universe is generated over the evolution of its state vector (micro states), but we interpret it in terms of macro states (lossy compression over large numbers of micro states). The idea that we can fully control the macro state universe is magical thinking

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      2. pennybun01‏ @pennybun01 27 Nov 2019
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        Well not fully, but still every breath we take is an intervention and that’s not nothing.

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 27 Nov 2019
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        It's the best we can do

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      2. Anders Sandberg‏ @anderssandberg 28 Nov 2019
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        "Fully" is doing a lot of work in that sentence. I can control the temperature macrostate of a gas well enough by adding or removing heat, despite the microstates being entirely able to make it deviate. Thermodynamics works because those deviations are statistically rare.

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      3. Anders Sandberg‏ @anderssandberg 28 Nov 2019
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        The question is not "can we control the world" but rather "what parts of the world can we control, and how well?" This is the true map of power.

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      1. Ogban‏ @OgbanUgot 27 Nov 2019
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        Abstracting away those microstates is our forte.

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      1. Zed Burnett‏ @chophshiy 27 Nov 2019
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        That seems about right to me.

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      1. RichardDorset‏ @richarddorset 27 Nov 2019
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        Models define states of objects. Different models deal with different scales. An object in one model is a set of 'smaller' objects in another model (reductionism). But object boundaries are permeable. Objects are not isolated. The 'substrate' is a mathematical field.

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