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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Dustin Hutcheson‏ @Hutcheson 25 Nov 2019
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      Neurons and neurochemical processes are in physical reality. Qualia are in the simulation, not physical reality. We can’t call on them to do physical work.

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    2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 25 Nov 2019
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      Qualia are part of our model of the physical work that is being done.

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    3. Dustin Hutcheson‏ @Hutcheson 25 Nov 2019
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      So the hand moves from the flame because of 1) nerve impulses (physical) and 2) pain (qualia). But if we are saying this, we can’t say qualia are instantiated by physical processes, no?

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    4. Dustin Hutcheson‏ @Hutcheson 25 Nov 2019
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      We are saying there is relationship of identity not causality. The nerve impulses don’t cause the pain, the nerve impulses just are the pain.

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 25 Nov 2019
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      Do you also think that wheels are identical to electromagnetic forces translating angular momentum between rubber molecules and metal atoms?

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    6. Dustin Hutcheson‏ @Hutcheson 25 Nov 2019
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      If you’re suggesting that qualia and neurophysiology are merely different levels of description, I disagree.

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 25 Nov 2019
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      No, I just think that identity theory is confused, for a number of reasons.

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    8. Dustin Hutcheson‏ @Hutcheson 25 Nov 2019
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      So you might say the mind is ontologically distinct from the brain implementing it? (Or is it conceptually distinct?)

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 25 Nov 2019
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      In the way I use the terms, the brain is the biological hardware that implements the mind, the mind is the set of computational principles that generates models of universe and self, in the service of deliberating control, the self is the mind's model of its deliberate control.

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    10. Dustin Hutcheson‏ @Hutcheson 26 Nov 2019
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      How will one determine if the simulation (artificial mind) being implemented on non-biological hardware has instantiated phenomenal qualities? Even for humans we must rely on self reports. How will we ever know for machines?

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 26 Nov 2019
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      If you understand the precise referent of phenomenal experience, you can create an experiencing observer: a mind that hears its own voice and recognizes it as its own. Until then you can only recognize sentient behavior, like you do in cats.

      10:57 AM - 26 Nov 2019
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        2. Dustin Hutcheson‏ @Hutcheson 26 Nov 2019
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          Let’s say a team creates an android implementing a self-modeling AI control system. This entity claims to be phenomenally conscious, experiencing sounds, sights, and even feeling emotions and physical pain. How do we confirm this claim?

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 26 Nov 2019
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          We can check if the exposure to stimuli leads to the instantiation of models of these stimuli, if the attention to these models leads to an instantiation of the model of that access, and if the self reporting is reflecting the content of these models.

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        2. Dirk-Jan Swagerman‏ @djswagerman 26 Nov 2019
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          What does it mean for a software defined observer to “consume” phenomology and “experience” it. Creating an event listener will not be sufficient?

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        3. Clarity‏ @SurviveThrive2 26 Nov 2019
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          It becomes apparent when you realize what a phenomenal experience is. Phenomology is for guiding responses. It is the most relevant sensory information that is isolated by your environment models and physiological behavior drivers to identify and respond to resources and threats.

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