Neurons and neurochemical processes are in physical reality. Qualia are in the simulation, not physical reality. We can’t call on them to do physical work.
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Qualia are part of our model of the physical work that is being done.
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So the hand moves from the flame because of 1) nerve impulses (physical) and 2) pain (qualia). But if we are saying this, we can’t say qualia are instantiated by physical processes, no?
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We are saying there is relationship of identity not causality. The nerve impulses don’t cause the pain, the nerve impulses just are the pain.
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Do you also think that wheels are identical to electromagnetic forces translating angular momentum between rubber molecules and metal atoms?
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If you’re suggesting that qualia and neurophysiology are merely different levels of description, I disagree.
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No, I just think that identity theory is confused, for a number of reasons.
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So you might say the mind is ontologically distinct from the brain implementing it? (Or is it conceptually distinct?)
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In the way I use the terms, the brain is the biological hardware that implements the mind, the mind is the set of computational principles that generates models of universe and self, in the service of deliberating control, the self is the mind's model of its deliberate control.
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Can we say that in the physical frame phenomenal consciousness is information, but within the simulation information is phenomenal consciousness?
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There is no consciousness in the physical frame. Most information in the mental frame is not phenomenal.
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I wonder if what separates non-phenomenal information from phenomenal information is its function within the system rather than its form.
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Higher-order theory can account for the distinction between unconscious and conscious brain processing. [M]ental operations involve first-order manipulations, & according to higher-order theory, what makes cognition conscious is higher-order observation of first-order processing.
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