So the hand moves from the flame because of 1) nerve impulses (physical) and 2) pain (qualia). But if we are saying this, we can’t say qualia are instantiated by physical processes, no?
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We are saying there is relationship of identity not causality. The nerve impulses don’t cause the pain, the nerve impulses just are the pain.
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Do you also think that wheels are identical to electromagnetic forces translating angular momentum between rubber molecules and metal atoms?
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If you’re suggesting that qualia and neurophysiology are merely different levels of description, I disagree.
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No, I just think that identity theory is confused, for a number of reasons.
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So you might say the mind is ontologically distinct from the brain implementing it? (Or is it conceptually distinct?)
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In the way I use the terms, the brain is the biological hardware that implements the mind, the mind is the set of computational principles that generates models of universe and self, in the service of deliberating control, the self is the mind's model of its deliberate control.
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In your terminology, do you discriminate between “self” as the “stream of phenomology” and the model of “self” accessible in memory, appearing and disappearing in this phenomenology?
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Yes, you can have phenomenal experience without a self.
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I couldn't find in Micro Psi or 'Principles of Synthetic Intelligence' an explicit explanation of the components that comprise phenomenal experience. I think it is sensory data that has been isolated and characterized by behavior drivers, and context linked to related models.
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Yes, I wrote that book more than ten years ago
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So what would you say are the components of phenomenal experience?
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