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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Dustin Hutcheson‏ @Hutcheson 25 Nov 2019
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      So the hand moves from the flame because of 1) nerve impulses (physical) and 2) pain (qualia). But if we are saying this, we can’t say qualia are instantiated by physical processes, no?

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    2. Dustin Hutcheson‏ @Hutcheson 25 Nov 2019
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      We are saying there is relationship of identity not causality. The nerve impulses don’t cause the pain, the nerve impulses just are the pain.

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 25 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @Hutcheson @SurviveThrive2 @djswagerman

      Do you also think that wheels are identical to electromagnetic forces translating angular momentum between rubber molecules and metal atoms?

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    4. Dustin Hutcheson‏ @Hutcheson 25 Nov 2019
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      If you’re suggesting that qualia and neurophysiology are merely different levels of description, I disagree.

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 25 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @Hutcheson @SurviveThrive2 @djswagerman

      No, I just think that identity theory is confused, for a number of reasons.

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    6. Dustin Hutcheson‏ @Hutcheson 25 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @Plinz @SurviveThrive2 @djswagerman

      So you might say the mind is ontologically distinct from the brain implementing it? (Or is it conceptually distinct?)

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 25 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @Hutcheson @SurviveThrive2 @djswagerman

      In the way I use the terms, the brain is the biological hardware that implements the mind, the mind is the set of computational principles that generates models of universe and self, in the service of deliberating control, the self is the mind's model of its deliberate control.

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    8. Dirk-Jan Swagerman‏ @djswagerman 25 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @Plinz @Hutcheson @SurviveThrive2

      In your terminology, do you discriminate between “self” as the “stream of phenomology” and the model of “self” accessible in memory, appearing and disappearing in this phenomenology?

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 25 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @djswagerman @Hutcheson @SurviveThrive2

      Yes, you can have phenomenal experience without a self.

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    10. Clarity‏ @SurviveThrive2 26 Nov 2019
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      I couldn't find in Micro Psi or 'Principles of Synthetic Intelligence' an explicit explanation of the components that comprise phenomenal experience. I think it is sensory data that has been isolated and characterized by behavior drivers, and context linked to related models.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 26 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @SurviveThrive2 @djswagerman @Hutcheson

      Yes, I wrote that book more than ten years ago

      10:35 AM - 26 Nov 2019
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        1. Clarity‏ @SurviveThrive2 26 Nov 2019
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          So what would you say are the components of phenomenal experience?

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