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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Wolf Tivy‏ @wolftivy 25 Nov 2019
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      So what happened to cybernetics? It seems so central go everything, and was very fashionable for a time, yet so underutilized as a way of understanding.

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    2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 25 Nov 2019
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      In Russia and Eastern Germany it fell out of political favor, in Western Germany it was destroyed by the toxic influence of Maturana and 2nd order bs, and in the US its funding was likely sabotaged by Minsky's AI. But its methods never died, they just became ubiquitous.

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    3. Flower Ornament‏ @msutherl 26 Nov 2019
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      Maturana and "2nd order bs" is the best part! The rest became control theory, neuroscience, and computer science – standard death by institutionalization. What was lost is the poetry.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 26 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @msutherl @wolftivy

      No, I believe that the vanity and lack of intellectual integrity of the poets turned it into a sterile paradigm and killed it. It was just too beautiful to resist going down that route.

      12:34 AM - 26 Nov 2019
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        1. Flower Ornament‏ @msutherl 26 Nov 2019
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          Reading both our takes side-by-side the thought comes to mind that we're describing a deeper cause from opposite directions. It's been awhile since we've tweeted at each other, but if I recall, that's been our dynamic.

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